Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[SerenityNigh]

Yes. The vast majority of gun crimes are from guns that are illegal. Unless I'm mistaken.

You are mistaken

 

[verreauxi]

Suicide is one particular area where reduction in gun ownership would likely lead to a significant drop in deaths.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/suicide-in-wyoming/
Reducing access to lethal means is one of the few tactics that has been shown to prevent suicide at a population level, either by making it more difficult to get a hold of a highly lethal method or by making that method less lethal. For example, particularly lethal pesticides were restricted in Southeast Asia, and the quantity of carbon monoxide in residential gas was reduced in the United Kingdom. But reducing the risk in that way isn’t always straightforward. In a state such as Wyoming, where firearms were involved in the largest share of deaths but are widely owned and used, it is a particularly complicated topic.

There is a well-established relationship between individual firearm ownership and suicide by firearm. More guns per household at the state level was also a strong predictor of suicide rates for both men and women, according to a May study from Boston University that looked at data from 1981 to 2013. Gun rights advocates have made the case that people will find an alternative method if a firearm isn’t available. And a 2008 survey commissioned by the state of Wyoming found that three-quarters of residents didn’t believe that reducing access to firearms can impact the state’s high suicide rate.

While the research on the subject is mixed and very limited, it appears likely that suicide attempts are impulsive acts that can be prevented sometimes if the means of a planned attempt are taken away. And because other means are less lethal, not having access to a firearm can still be lifesaving, even if an attempt does take place. About 70 percent of survivors won’t go on to attempt suicide again, and 90 percent won’t die by suicide, according to a Harvard review of studies on survivors. That applies not only to firearms but to other methods, as well.

“We know [that] when people are in crisis, they use the method that is available to them,” said Terresa Humphries-Wadsworth, director of suicide prevention programs for the Prevention Management Organization of Wyoming, which manages all community suicide prevention efforts for the state. “If you remove one of those methods, whether that’s the pills or whatever, then they are less likely to go out and seek an alternative method, because they aren’t very good at problem-solving in that crisis moment.”

An informative and tragic post. One would think that suicide prevention alone would be a good place to start legislation regarding the reduction of guns in the US.

 

[SerenityNigh]

On cue

 

[verreauxi]

On cue

What a dumb old irrelevant piece of [Poor language removed].

 

[SerenityNigh]

What a dumb old irrelevant piece of [Poor language removed].

Yeah, he's not a relevant religious leader, so he almost doesn't count. He's like the O'Reily of Evangelicals.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Amendment. Key word....AMENDMENT.

It can be amended again.

Exactly. And it would probably take an amendment for anything significant to happen. I feel that with harsh penalties and a real push to get people to give up guns along with a new law and you might make something happen. Unfortunately it won't

 

[DrEFC]

Desperate to keep your backward, out of date, 2A? Make the only guns available- 17th-18th century muskets. Et voila- you get to pretend it makes you safer, and if you go rogue- at least in a crowd, you'll only get time to shoot one innocent person before it gets taken off you, and it's placed up your rectum.

 

[DrEFC]

 

[blue4eva77]

Amendment. Key word....AMENDMENT.

It can be amended again.

I don't think you understand quite how difficult or nigh impossible it is to modify (amend) or remove amendments to the constitution of the United States.

The 2nd amendment is a protected right. Protected. ' shall not be infringed ' is there for a reason.

The first 10 amendments are there for a reason. Without them, the constitution wouldn't exist.

Never if our lifetime will see you the 2nd amendment being modified. Banning firearms in the United States will never happen.

 

[Dylan]

I don't think you understand quite how difficult or nigh impossible it is to modify (amend) or remove amendments to the constitution of the United States.

The 2nd amendment is a protected right. Protected. ' shall not be infringed ' is there for a reason.

The first 10 amendments are there for a reason. Without them, the constitution wouldn't exist.

Never if our lifetime will see you the 2nd amendment being modified. Banning firearms in the United States will never happen.

I am acutely aware. However, not attempting to do something because it is too hard is just cowardly.

At some point we, as a nation, need to stand up and take responsibility for what is happening in our country.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I guess this is clever, but it bypasses more important stuff to make its clever point. Like militia.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I am acutely aware. However, not attempting to do something because it is too hard is just cowardly.

At some point we, as a nation, need to stand up and take responsibility for what is happening in our country.

Bravery often yields surprising results because cowards get to f*** when things get dicey.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I don't think you understand quite how difficult or nigh impossible it is to modify (amend) or remove amendments to the constitution of the United States.

The 2nd amendment is a protected right. Protected. ' shall not be infringed ' is there for a reason.

The first 10 amendments are there for a reason. Without them, the constitution wouldn't exist.

Never if our lifetime will see you the 2nd amendment being modified. Banning firearms in the United States will never happen.

The bigger issue is the cultural idolatry/interpretation of "liberty." Few laws have enough gravitas to impinge upon liberty of any sort. In America, "liberty" will always win.

Freedom to own a gun >>> someone (else) 's safety

 

[ToffeeTim]

This was a domestic white terrorist in Trump's highest voting demographic range. You won't hear Trump call this man a terrorist. I'm almost positive you could take that to the bank.

It's clearly terrorism. I'm not sure that's even the debate. Terrorism is a violent act aimed at causing terror by definition.

But the wider point is the disgusting culture of needing weapons in the US. And for once I don't even think you can blame Trump. No president, not even Obama did anything other than say a few words. Actions were what was needed. Surely enough is enough.

 

[Prevenger17]

In short, and I don't need to use big words and long paragraphs to get my point across, banning firearms in the United States will never happen.

What are you on about lad? What point? What big words? You've ducked a load of questions and, don't worry, we've all clocked your shift from "gun regulation wouldn't make a difference" to "gun regulation will never happen anyway so who cares".