Current Affairs The Andrew Tate thread

[Clarky cat]

I genuinely appreciate you taking your time out and trying to educate me on this matter. I'd like to tell you that I'm very ignorant

fixed that for you mate ?

 

[Clarky cat]

Then who created God?

God‘s dad

 

[verreauxi]

@emir if a woman commits adultery…

Should she be put to death? Just wondering, since Leviticus says this, and the bible is a book you seem to believe in. Or are you a New Testament follower only?

 

[chrismpw]

I genuinely appreciate you taking your time out and trying to educate me on this matter. I'd like to tell you that I'm very ignorant when it comes to geology and talking to me about this matter is equivalent to talking to a freshman college student.

My understanding is that carbon-14 dating points to the evidence of how old the Earth truly was, but there are still no way to determine whether humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time or not, because the absence of evidence doesn't prove something wasn't true.

I've made it clear to you how important religious scriptures have been to me formulating my beliefs and knowledge. There have been so many prophecies to come out from these scriptures that I have no issues to believe in the core tenet of what creationism is about. I think nobody truly knows the full answer on how old the Earth is, or whether dinosaurs/humans existed at the same time. Unless a human is still alive from those days to tell us the stories, no evidence is fully 100% transparent. Remember that there is a creator for everything on this Earth. There's a creator for those surface rocks and our faith is continuously being tested in these times and it's exactly what the Bible says.

Carbon dating is useful to archaeologists, but the half life of C14 is only 6000 years, meaning a sample loses practically all of its C14 content after about 600,000 years, - which isn't long-meaning it isn't used much in geology. Geology relies mostly on Uranium/lead ratios or rubidium/strontium which have much longer half lives.

I agree that the absence of evidence is not proof that the dinosaurs died out 66 million years ago. However, even though the fossil record is incomplete, we can look to the relative abundance of dino fossils before 66mA and compare it with zero dino fossils thus far discovered after 66mA as an enormous hint towards truth. This is especially true when we see rocks around the globe indicating ideal conditions to fossilise animals persisted - and plenty of fossils of other animals exist after 66mA but NONE are from dinosaurs.

As for prophesies .... which unambiguous prophesies have come true? Could they be coincidences? Which ones, that have never come true, are no longer talked about?

 

[BlueStevie35]

Andrew Tate is pretty much the new Internet trend right now. It's not idiotic having a discussion about his views.

I was referring to you

 

[Togger Blue]

Formed a decent duo with Lyle

 

[dholliday]

I know I'm biting unnecessarily at this dangling worm but:

Plenty of my fellow geologists have a prety decent idea that the earth is around 4600 million years old, based on known isotope decay rates and ratios, havingatined the oldest known surface rocks at 3000ish million years and relating those (since crustal rocks are naturally remelted and recycled) to the ages of practically every collected meteorite that's landed on the planet being 4600 million years old - which logically will be the left over debris of the formation of the solar system.

Confidence for this data is so strong that a very very few meteorites that have been found to be that are older and having different mineral ratio composition, suggesting that we can detect those that have arrived from outside our system.

There have been no, zero, nada, NO finds of dinosaur bones since 66 million years ago strongly suggesting that that is when they last existed - along with many other species. Humans have been around for a maximum of 3 million years, according to current data finds, but only 1 million years ago, as being recognisable as today's humans. This represents a time gap of 63 - 65 million years between dinosaurs and man. Maybe a bit less if we include @Methuselah

Of course no evidence is proof, and clerics, who's livelihoods and wealth depend on tradition and faith carrying on despite evidence, learning, logic and evidence, will always point to the fact that an imaginary being could have planted this misleading evidence to fool us. They're being very thorough in that case - and also must have nothing better to do.

I genuinely appreciate you taking your time out and trying to educate me on this matter. I'd like to tell you that I'm very ignorant when it comes to geology and talking to me about this matter is equivalent to talking to a freshman college student.

My understanding is that carbon-14 dating points to the evidence of how old the Earth truly was, but there are still no way to determine whether humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time or not, because the absence of evidence doesn't prove something wasn't true.

I've made it clear to you how important religious scriptures have been to me formulating my beliefs and knowledge. There have been so many prophecies to come out from these scriptures that I have no issues to believe in the core tenet of what creationism is about. I think nobody truly knows the full answer on how old the Earth is, or whether dinosaurs/humans existed at the same time. Unless a human is still alive from those days to tell us the stories, no evidence is fully 100% transparent. Remember that there is a creator for everything on this Earth. There's a creator for those surface rocks and our faith is continuously being tested in these times and it's exactly what the Bible says.

Carbon dating is useful to archaeologists, but the half life of C14 is only 6000 years, meaning a sample loses practically all of its C14 content after about 600,000 years, - which isn't long-meaning it isn't used much in geology. Geology relies mostly on Uranium/lead ratios or rubidium/strontium which have much longer half lives.

I agree that the absence of evidence is not proof that the dinosaurs died out 66 million years ago. However, even though the fossil record is incomplete, we can look to the relative abundance of dino fossils before 66mA and compare it with zero dino fossils thus far discovered after 66mA as an enormous hint towards truth. This is especially true when we see rocks around the globe indicating ideal conditions to fossilise animals persisted - and plenty of fossils of other animals exist after 66mA but NONE are from dinosaurs.

As for prophesies .... which unambiguous prophesies have come true? Could they be coincidences? Which ones, that have never come true, are no longer talked about?

this is great stuff, among the snappy one-liners and funny memes it's grand to see a proper debate too.


GOT that.

 

[Davidoff]

I genuinely appreciate you taking your time out and trying to educate me on this matter. I'd like to tell you that I'm very ignorant when it comes to geology and talking to me about this matter is equivalent to talking to a freshman college student.

My understanding is that carbon-14 dating points to the evidence of how old the Earth truly was, but there are still no way to determine whether humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time or not, because the absence of evidence doesn't prove something wasn't true.

I've made it clear to you how important religious scriptures have been to me formulating my beliefs and knowledge. There have been so many prophecies to come out from these scriptures that I have no issues to believe in the core tenet of what creationism is about. I think nobody truly knows the full answer on how old the Earth is, or whether dinosaurs/humans existed at the same time. Unless a human is still alive from those days to tell us the stories, no evidence is fully 100% transparent. Remember that there is a creator for everything on this Earth. There's a creator for those surface rocks and our faith is continuously being tested in these times and it's exactly what the Bible says.

 

[Davidoff]

James Hoffman is the only person who should be allowed to post videos online. His existence in the world makes me smile

 

[Rita_Poon]

James Hoffman is the only person who should be allowed to post videos online. His existence in the world makes me smile

Forget the coffee, forget that machine. Lets get down to business...

I want a review of that jumper
Then a review of his lemo digi scale

 

[Jebus_lives]

There once was a bald man called Tate,
Whose ideas were filled full of hate,
He posts comment that shock, to his account on TikTok
To get money from incel clickbait.

 

[Joey66]

Is he a creative midfielder ? lol

 

[chrismpw]

I genuinely appreciate you taking your time out and trying to educate me on this matter. I'd like to tell you that I'm very ignorant when it comes to geology and talking to me about this matter is equivalent to talking to a freshman college student.

My understanding is that carbon-14 dating points to the evidence of how old the Earth truly was, but there are still no way to determine whether humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time or not, because the absence of evidence doesn't prove something wasn't true.

I've made it clear to you how important religious scriptures have been to me formulating my beliefs and knowledge. There have been so many prophecies to come out from these scriptures that I have no issues to believe in the core tenet of what creationism is about. I think nobody truly knows the full answer on how old the Earth is, or whether dinosaurs/humans existed at the same time. Unless a human is still alive from those days to tell us the stories, no evidence is fully 100% transparent. Remember that there is a creator for everything on this Earth. There's a creator for those surface rocks and our faith is continuously being tested in these times and it's exactly what the Bible says.

My missus was rushing me out of the door earlier, but now I can address the creator you so raised.
The surface rocks are derived from the weathering products of known minerals found in the two chief rock types that firm the earth's crust which underlie every but if land and ocean sediment - granite and basalt. The weathering mechanisms are well understood and are chemical reactions that can be observed and repeated in laboratory conditions. What is more we can model fairly precisely how long these weathering reactions take given the conditions present in the environment.

The science of how the minerals are present is also well understood- as is how the atoms that make them are made as a series of fusion reactions combining hydrogen, the simplest element into atoms as big as carbon in stars. The atoms are then built into bigger atoms at the tremendous heat and pressures present in supernovae. As well as models, these mechanisms have been demonstrated and reproduced in laboratories and can even be observed using the specra emitted from distant supernovae. So the creation of every spec if dust on our planet is traced back to exploding stars that assembled the elements that went on to coalesce as our entire solar system.

These processes are well, if not entirely perfectly understood. Science is still learning as it amasses more data, improving the ideas, explanations and models. This contrasts with religion the beliefs of which are static and the truth of which deteriorates with time and every translation or interpretation of an old story.

The very "act of creation" of the universe cannot yet be explained by science, because the data becomes more sketchy as we look further back. Where the energy came from for the big bang (or technically more accurately the big flash since at the beginning there was only energy - no matter, no atoms existed which would have been necessary to transmit sound!) nobody yet knows. However, the idea that some deity created what all of our scientific understanding states cannot be created or destroyed - energy - is even less believable a speculation than even the most tenuous scientific proposals. Most likely in my view our universe is a tiny part of a sequence of bang, collapse, bang, collapse etc ... but quite how that all started is anybody's guess and we will in all likelihood never know for sure. What is sure however, is that science will never dream up an institution that becomes enormously wealthy having fabricated a story without evidence to draw in believers every week on the basis of handing around a collection plate under the threat of some eternal damnation if they don't.

Apart from big pharma. But that's business not science's fault.

 

[magicjuan]

Then who created God?

Man. I ask 'show me God' and no one can, they ask me 'show me there's no God' and I point to a child dying of cancer or hunger or thirst, or the depravity of the African Townships and the de Beer offices.
'God/G-d/god' exists in the minds of few because they give value to a concept wirhout evidence.
Man is inherantly stupid.

 

[Yarrgh]

So let's get this right.

Man and dinosaurs around at the same time but now not. At what point did they exit the stage and why?

I keep coming up with Noah being a bit of a tit and letting them perish rather than get on his precious ark.

So pre-Noah, yes but post-Noah no is now my hypothesis. So perhaps Moses could have perhaps had a pet pterodactyl and so forth, but Jesus would have been goosed on the dinosaurs thing.