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What Pennsylvanians Think About Trump
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Nobody thinks the president is perfect. But his draw to people who feel left behind may be enough to deliver an election.
If the word for 2016 flyover voters was “angry” in 2020 it’s “tired.” Anger put Trump in the White House, but it is unclear if tired will work for Biden. The Democrats’ strategy—our candidate isn’t Trump—may leave too many voters staying home.
With the election only about a month away, I spent a couple of days in Pennsylvania talking to people, as it may be the keystone of the swing states, the one to decide the election. It’s a strange place politically, described as “Philly in the East, Pittsburgh in the West, and Alabama in between.” I visited in between, the people I chatted with consisting of those who would talk with me. Sometimes a few words, sometimes a couple of Yuenglings. But before dismissing any conclusions, consider in the current climate just how inaccurate polling is. I found folks slow to discuss what they were thinking, testing to see if I was going to bite them for not wearing a mask, or rant off about America being great again. It took more than “Which candidate do you support?” to learn much.
In the mostly small towns I visited, there were three types of people. Those who’d left a long time ago, those thinking about leaving, and those stuck there. The endless stream of Trump atrocities talked about on TV is not what voters are talking about. What neither candidate seems to address, or even be more than vaguely aware of, is how much on-the-ground economics matters to the people left in these places.
Each town is an archaeological site, old brick buildings that used to make… what? Sometimes there are clues, a mini-mall with far more vape shops than one place needs in a broken industrial cavern with the words American Ribbon still visible on the facade. Other times it’s an unused smokestack filled with echoes of small manufacturing. Look around and you can find the old train depot near main street (it’s either abandoned or a too-cute coffee shop). The tracks themselves are buried like some ancient river.
Nobody really believes the blue-collar, middle-class life they remember is coming back, but they are desperate for a bone. Trump promised in 2016 to do something about the local economy and never really tried. Biden says he will revive things, but leaves hanging the question of why he didn’t do that during his eight years in the White House.
Running on Obama’s record means just that. People cringe when they hear Biden defend Obamacare. Unlike journos who tweet about it while on company-sponsored Blue Cross, these people tried and failed to get good health care instead of just insurance out of the plan. Trump didn’t fix it, but he isn’t Joe telling people it’s all they’re ever gonna get, either.
People remember it was the Democrats who voted for NAFTA and crushed out their last wind (Biden voted for NAFTA) and while Biden claimed in 2008 it should be renegotiated during the Obama years, it wasn’t. It was Trump who renegotiated the agreement, and while that didn’t really help much here it is seen as better than nothing. People like Trump’s trade battles. Nobody is naive enough to think they will change much, but they like to see the pain spread around. “[Poor language removed] the Chinese” was heard more than once.
It is hard to overstate how deeply these Americans despise Obama’s response to the 2008 financial crisis. Many saw the values of their homes dramatically decrease. They don’t own much stock outside of flaccid IRAs, and so they benefited little from recovery. Trump certainly did his own best work for Wall Street, but home prices have risen over the last few years, with even an odd twist: much of the area is within an hour or two of New York City, and city people fleeing COVID have driven up sale prices.
There are truths here. SSI, Medicaid, the Earned Income Credit, and housing assistance are a way of life now. One can accept food stamps but still think handouts are for the lazy. People can feel cheated working for minimum wage at a Walmart full of junk made overseas without being anti-immigrant. Legitimate anger doesn’t make you a racist. Trump understands all this better than the Democrats now speaking for their party, and that makes his voters ignore a lot of the things that drive progressives into derangement. Biden meanwhile stumbles to gain relevance, frequently mentioning his roots in Scranton, Pennsylvania. People smile, Midwest-polite, knowing he hasn’t lived there since age 11, 1953, when the place was thriving.
The Democratic strategy misunderstands Trump’s election as a fluke. Instead, Trump stumbled onto something hidden in plain sight. Large numbers of Americans, mostly white and formerly middle class, were angry (whites without bachelor’s degrees make up 55 percent of Pennsylvania’s population 25 or older). They could not find decent jobs and they wanted someone, if not to fix it, to tell them who to blame.
The Democrats tell them to blame themselves for being racist and uneducated—learn to code! Trump tells them it is not their fault. It was because of Obama, it was the Chinese, it was the Democrats, immigrants. Neither narrative is complete but which one will find residuals of that anger to drive turnout? Hint: The area went for Trump in 2016. Prior to his victory, Pennsylvania voted Democrat in six straight presidential elections. Based on new registrations, Democrats lost more Pennsylvania voters in the last four years than they gained. More Democrats abandoned their party to become Independents compared to Republicans.
People worry Biden is a Trojan Horse; not a single person could name a Biden signature policy initiative. They worry Democrats who don’t understand them will really be in charge. To some it seems men, old people, straight people, entire regions of the country, are being excluded. It isn’t status anxiety but a sense that what used to be a difference of political opinion now makes someone illegitimate as a person. They hear those who may soon be running the government call them haters just because they are poor and white. While Trump is a known element, Biden could mean Obama without the gravitas, or he could mean a Pelosi regency, or a progressive charge of night riders led by Harris. Like Biden, Trump is old and sick, but if not Trump you get Pence, not the deluge.
When people are excluded from the most important decisions affecting their lives, they lose faith. That bitter lived experience fueled distrust and an ideological drift that manifested itself in electing Trump in 2016 (it could have just as easily elected Bernie over Trump then). And that distrust hasn’t dissipated enough for many to vote Democrat, even if they won’t vote Trump. Many of the people of color I met felt the same way as their white neighbors. Having started at the same place in the factories and fallen together into poverty, they ended up in the same dismal state as whites. A big difference, however, is that black frustration often shows up as low voter turnout, while whites vote Republican.
Who wins Pennsylvania seems a battle of enthusiasm. Little-understood by the coastal MSM is the important role of conservative talk radio in these areas. People spend a fair amount of time in their vehicles, and they listen to regional and local talk radio sometimes for hours. Nobody in New York pays much attention to these very conservative hosts, many mixing religious and political themes. They are skillful in using listener call-ins to make it seem an agenda is organic when it is driven. The idiots who draw conclusions from Twitter have no idea how powerful a force this may be in driving a turnout which will favor Trump.
For example, a lot of talk radio focuses on sports. Sports are a big deal out here, high school, college, and the pros. Nobody is happy to see games canceled because of COVID, and few seemed happy about the massive political tumor growing on sports, even if they supported the general ideas of BLM. “Save it for off the field,” was what most said. Extreme loyalty toward a team has replaced a lot of other loyalties—country, government, religion, party—in these people’s lives and should not be messed with lightly. It looks like just an affinity for the Yankees or the Nittany Lions, but there is deeper water underneath. Trump’s role in getting the Big Ten teams back on the field was not overlooked. Meanwhile, with a Democratic Governor, there’s no homecoming, no trick-or-treat, not much to do but hang at Walmart.
If many of the yellowed issues the MSM cares about come up a wash between Trump and Biden, don’t underestimate this kind of small-but-it-matters-to-me thing. For an exhausted electorate, tired now of being tired, that might just be enough.
What Pennsylvanians Think About Trump | The American Conservative
Nobody thinks the president is perfect. But his draw to people who feel left behind may be enough to deliver an election.
www.theamericanconservative.com
If the word for 2016 flyover voters was “angry” in 2020 it’s “tired.” Anger put Trump in the White House, but it is unclear if tired will work for Biden. The Democrats’ strategy—our candidate isn’t Trump—may leave too many voters staying home.
With the election only about a month away, I spent a couple of days in Pennsylvania talking to people, as it may be the keystone of the swing states, the one to decide the election. It’s a strange place politically, described as “Philly in the East, Pittsburgh in the West, and Alabama in between.” I visited in between, the people I chatted with consisting of those who would talk with me. Sometimes a few words, sometimes a couple of Yuenglings. But before dismissing any conclusions, consider in the current climate just how inaccurate polling is. I found folks slow to discuss what they were thinking, testing to see if I was going to bite them for not wearing a mask, or rant off about America being great again. It took more than “Which candidate do you support?” to learn much.
In the mostly small towns I visited, there were three types of people. Those who’d left a long time ago, those thinking about leaving, and those stuck there. The endless stream of Trump atrocities talked about on TV is not what voters are talking about. What neither candidate seems to address, or even be more than vaguely aware of, is how much on-the-ground economics matters to the people left in these places.
Each town is an archaeological site, old brick buildings that used to make… what? Sometimes there are clues, a mini-mall with far more vape shops than one place needs in a broken industrial cavern with the words American Ribbon still visible on the facade. Other times it’s an unused smokestack filled with echoes of small manufacturing. Look around and you can find the old train depot near main street (it’s either abandoned or a too-cute coffee shop). The tracks themselves are buried like some ancient river.
Nobody really believes the blue-collar, middle-class life they remember is coming back, but they are desperate for a bone. Trump promised in 2016 to do something about the local economy and never really tried. Biden says he will revive things, but leaves hanging the question of why he didn’t do that during his eight years in the White House.
Running on Obama’s record means just that. People cringe when they hear Biden defend Obamacare. Unlike journos who tweet about it while on company-sponsored Blue Cross, these people tried and failed to get good health care instead of just insurance out of the plan. Trump didn’t fix it, but he isn’t Joe telling people it’s all they’re ever gonna get, either.
People remember it was the Democrats who voted for NAFTA and crushed out their last wind (Biden voted for NAFTA) and while Biden claimed in 2008 it should be renegotiated during the Obama years, it wasn’t. It was Trump who renegotiated the agreement, and while that didn’t really help much here it is seen as better than nothing. People like Trump’s trade battles. Nobody is naive enough to think they will change much, but they like to see the pain spread around. “[Poor language removed] the Chinese” was heard more than once.
It is hard to overstate how deeply these Americans despise Obama’s response to the 2008 financial crisis. Many saw the values of their homes dramatically decrease. They don’t own much stock outside of flaccid IRAs, and so they benefited little from recovery. Trump certainly did his own best work for Wall Street, but home prices have risen over the last few years, with even an odd twist: much of the area is within an hour or two of New York City, and city people fleeing COVID have driven up sale prices.
There are truths here. SSI, Medicaid, the Earned Income Credit, and housing assistance are a way of life now. One can accept food stamps but still think handouts are for the lazy. People can feel cheated working for minimum wage at a Walmart full of junk made overseas without being anti-immigrant. Legitimate anger doesn’t make you a racist. Trump understands all this better than the Democrats now speaking for their party, and that makes his voters ignore a lot of the things that drive progressives into derangement. Biden meanwhile stumbles to gain relevance, frequently mentioning his roots in Scranton, Pennsylvania. People smile, Midwest-polite, knowing he hasn’t lived there since age 11, 1953, when the place was thriving.
The Democratic strategy misunderstands Trump’s election as a fluke. Instead, Trump stumbled onto something hidden in plain sight. Large numbers of Americans, mostly white and formerly middle class, were angry (whites without bachelor’s degrees make up 55 percent of Pennsylvania’s population 25 or older). They could not find decent jobs and they wanted someone, if not to fix it, to tell them who to blame.
The Democrats tell them to blame themselves for being racist and uneducated—learn to code! Trump tells them it is not their fault. It was because of Obama, it was the Chinese, it was the Democrats, immigrants. Neither narrative is complete but which one will find residuals of that anger to drive turnout? Hint: The area went for Trump in 2016. Prior to his victory, Pennsylvania voted Democrat in six straight presidential elections. Based on new registrations, Democrats lost more Pennsylvania voters in the last four years than they gained. More Democrats abandoned their party to become Independents compared to Republicans.
People worry Biden is a Trojan Horse; not a single person could name a Biden signature policy initiative. They worry Democrats who don’t understand them will really be in charge. To some it seems men, old people, straight people, entire regions of the country, are being excluded. It isn’t status anxiety but a sense that what used to be a difference of political opinion now makes someone illegitimate as a person. They hear those who may soon be running the government call them haters just because they are poor and white. While Trump is a known element, Biden could mean Obama without the gravitas, or he could mean a Pelosi regency, or a progressive charge of night riders led by Harris. Like Biden, Trump is old and sick, but if not Trump you get Pence, not the deluge.
When people are excluded from the most important decisions affecting their lives, they lose faith. That bitter lived experience fueled distrust and an ideological drift that manifested itself in electing Trump in 2016 (it could have just as easily elected Bernie over Trump then). And that distrust hasn’t dissipated enough for many to vote Democrat, even if they won’t vote Trump. Many of the people of color I met felt the same way as their white neighbors. Having started at the same place in the factories and fallen together into poverty, they ended up in the same dismal state as whites. A big difference, however, is that black frustration often shows up as low voter turnout, while whites vote Republican.
Who wins Pennsylvania seems a battle of enthusiasm. Little-understood by the coastal MSM is the important role of conservative talk radio in these areas. People spend a fair amount of time in their vehicles, and they listen to regional and local talk radio sometimes for hours. Nobody in New York pays much attention to these very conservative hosts, many mixing religious and political themes. They are skillful in using listener call-ins to make it seem an agenda is organic when it is driven. The idiots who draw conclusions from Twitter have no idea how powerful a force this may be in driving a turnout which will favor Trump.
For example, a lot of talk radio focuses on sports. Sports are a big deal out here, high school, college, and the pros. Nobody is happy to see games canceled because of COVID, and few seemed happy about the massive political tumor growing on sports, even if they supported the general ideas of BLM. “Save it for off the field,” was what most said. Extreme loyalty toward a team has replaced a lot of other loyalties—country, government, religion, party—in these people’s lives and should not be messed with lightly. It looks like just an affinity for the Yankees or the Nittany Lions, but there is deeper water underneath. Trump’s role in getting the Big Ten teams back on the field was not overlooked. Meanwhile, with a Democratic Governor, there’s no homecoming, no trick-or-treat, not much to do but hang at Walmart.
If many of the yellowed issues the MSM cares about come up a wash between Trump and Biden, don’t underestimate this kind of small-but-it-matters-to-me thing. For an exhausted electorate, tired now of being tired, that might just be enough.
BirkenheadBlue
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Jesus wept.
so you hope the, to use your words, "odious racist prat" wins. great.
A genuine whore this man.
What Pennsylvanians Think About Trump
Nobody thinks the president is perfect. But his draw to people who feel left behind may be enough to deliver an election.What Pennsylvanians Think About Trump | The American Conservative
Nobody thinks the president is perfect. But his draw to people who feel left behind may be enough to deliver an election.
If the word for 2016 flyover voters was “angry” in 2020 it’s “tired.” Anger put Trump in the White House, but it is unclear if tired will work for Biden. The Democrats’ strategy—our candidate isn’t Trump—may leave too many voters staying home.
With the election only about a month away, I spent a couple of days in Pennsylvania talking to people, as it may be the keystone of the swing states, the one to decide the election. It’s a strange place politically, described as “Philly in the East, Pittsburgh in the West, and Alabama in between.” I visited in between, the people I chatted with consisting of those who would talk with me. Sometimes a few words, sometimes a couple of Yuenglings. But before dismissing any conclusions, consider in the current climate just how inaccurate polling is. I found folks slow to discuss what they were thinking, testing to see if I was going to bite them for not wearing a mask, or rant off about America being great again. It took more than “Which candidate do you support?” to learn much.
In the mostly small towns I visited, there were three types of people. Those who’d left a long time ago, those thinking about leaving, and those stuck there. The endless stream of Trump atrocities talked about on TV is not what voters are talking about. What neither candidate seems to address, or even be more than vaguely aware of, is how much on-the-ground economics matters to the people left in these places.
Each town is an archaeological site, old brick buildings that used to make… what? Sometimes there are clues, a mini-mall with far more vape shops than one place needs in a broken industrial cavern with the words American Ribbon still visible on the facade. Other times it’s an unused smokestack filled with echoes of small manufacturing. Look around and you can find the old train depot near main street (it’s either abandoned or a too-cute coffee shop). The tracks themselves are buried like some ancient river.
Nobody really believes the blue-collar, middle-class life they remember is coming back, but they are desperate for a bone. Trump promised in 2016 to do something about the local economy and never really tried. Biden says he will revive things, but leaves hanging the question of why he didn’t do that during his eight years in the White House.
Running on Obama’s record means just that. People cringe when they hear Biden defend Obamacare. Unlike journos who tweet about it while on company-sponsored Blue Cross, these people tried and failed to get good health care instead of just insurance out of the plan. Trump didn’t fix it, but he isn’t Joe telling people it’s all they’re ever gonna get, either.
People remember it was the Democrats who voted for NAFTA and crushed out their last wind (Biden voted for NAFTA) and while Biden claimed in 2008 it should be renegotiated during the Obama years, it wasn’t. It was Trump who renegotiated the agreement, and while that didn’t really help much here it is seen as better than nothing. People like Trump’s trade battles. Nobody is naive enough to think they will change much, but they like to see the pain spread around. “[Poor language removed] the Chinese” was heard more than once.
It is hard to overstate how deeply these Americans despise Obama’s response to the 2008 financial crisis. Many saw the values of their homes dramatically decrease. They don’t own much stock outside of flaccid IRAs, and so they benefited little from recovery. Trump certainly did his own best work for Wall Street, but home prices have risen over the last few years, with even an odd twist: much of the area is within an hour or two of New York City, and city people fleeing COVID have driven up sale prices.
There are truths here. SSI, Medicaid, the Earned Income Credit, and housing assistance are a way of life now. One can accept food stamps but still think handouts are for the lazy. People can feel cheated working for minimum wage at a Walmart full of junk made overseas without being anti-immigrant. Legitimate anger doesn’t make you a racist. Trump understands all this better than the Democrats now speaking for their party, and that makes his voters ignore a lot of the things that drive progressives into derangement. Biden meanwhile stumbles to gain relevance, frequently mentioning his roots in Scranton, Pennsylvania. People smile, Midwest-polite, knowing he hasn’t lived there since age 11, 1953, when the place was thriving.
The Democratic strategy misunderstands Trump’s election as a fluke. Instead, Trump stumbled onto something hidden in plain sight. Large numbers of Americans, mostly white and formerly middle class, were angry (whites without bachelor’s degrees make up 55 percent of Pennsylvania’s population 25 or older). They could not find decent jobs and they wanted someone, if not to fix it, to tell them who to blame.
The Democrats tell them to blame themselves for being racist and uneducated—learn to code! Trump tells them it is not their fault. It was because of Obama, it was the Chinese, it was the Democrats, immigrants. Neither narrative is complete but which one will find residuals of that anger to drive turnout? Hint: The area went for Trump in 2016. Prior to his victory, Pennsylvania voted Democrat in six straight presidential elections. Based on new registrations, Democrats lost more Pennsylvania voters in the last four years than they gained. More Democrats abandoned their party to become Independents compared to Republicans.
People worry Biden is a Trojan Horse; not a single person could name a Biden signature policy initiative. They worry Democrats who don’t understand them will really be in charge. To some it seems men, old people, straight people, entire regions of the country, are being excluded. It isn’t status anxiety but a sense that what used to be a difference of political opinion now makes someone illegitimate as a person. They hear those who may soon be running the government call them haters just because they are poor and white. While Trump is a known element, Biden could mean Obama without the gravitas, or he could mean a Pelosi regency, or a progressive charge of night riders led by Harris. Like Biden, Trump is old and sick, but if not Trump you get Pence, not the deluge.
When people are excluded from the most important decisions affecting their lives, they lose faith. That bitter lived experience fueled distrust and an ideological drift that manifested itself in electing Trump in 2016 (it could have just as easily elected Bernie over Trump then). And that distrust hasn’t dissipated enough for many to vote Democrat, even if they won’t vote Trump. Many of the people of color I met felt the same way as their white neighbors. Having started at the same place in the factories and fallen together into poverty, they ended up in the same dismal state as whites. A big difference, however, is that black frustration often shows up as low voter turnout, while whites vote Republican.
Who wins Pennsylvania seems a battle of enthusiasm. Little-understood by the coastal MSM is the important role of conservative talk radio in these areas. People spend a fair amount of time in their vehicles, and they listen to regional and local talk radio sometimes for hours. Nobody in New York pays much attention to these very conservative hosts, many mixing religious and political themes. They are skillful in using listener call-ins to make it seem an agenda is organic when it is driven. The idiots who draw conclusions from Twitter have no idea how powerful a force this may be in driving a turnout which will favor Trump.
For example, a lot of talk radio focuses on sports. Sports are a big deal out here, high school, college, and the pros. Nobody is happy to see games canceled because of COVID, and few seemed happy about the massive political tumor growing on sports, even if they supported the general ideas of BLM. “Save it for off the field,” was what most said. Extreme loyalty toward a team has replaced a lot of other loyalties—country, government, religion, party—in these people’s lives and should not be messed with lightly. It looks like just an affinity for the Yankees or the Nittany Lions, but there is deeper water underneath. Trump’s role in getting the Big Ten teams back on the field was not overlooked. Meanwhile, with a Democratic Governor, there’s no homecoming, no trick-or-treat, not much to do but hang at Walmart.
If many of the yellowed issues the MSM cares about come up a wash between Trump and Biden, don’t underestimate this kind of small-but-it-matters-to-me thing. For an exhausted electorate, tired now of being tired, that might just be enough.
Rural white Americans lives were wrecked by GW Bush, Obamas recovery didn't help them and neither did Trump but at least Trump is telling then who to blame. Most often it's Chinas fault. So now the white people are tired and have someone to blame so they're just going to vote Trump again because he lets them be angry at all the people who aren't them. That about the gist of it?
Also, their house prices are going up because there's a mass exodus from NYC.
The article fails to mention that this also breeds new life in to communities, if the Trump voters would let it.
I'm kinda sick of the whole "the mill closed 20 years ago so we're allowed to be ass hats" mentality especially when the same people rant at immigrants to pull them selves up by their boot straps, somehow these people of color using SNAP cards to buy groceries are lazy thieves but the orange messiah paying $750 in federal tax is smart.
grrr...
I'm probably the most qualified on here to respond to this article.
I wrote something and deleted it. What's the point
I totally get it if you don't want to but I'd be curious on your take.
So that many of you understand this impact... Harris County has 4.5 million residents and now, per this order, the Governor is mandating 1 location for drop off of absentee ballots.
abelard
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Children understand the world crudely, in terms of Good and Evil.
Adults appreciate structure, cause and effect.
Have another moan about on the football forum about how the Evil Bad Man is Evil and Bad, and everyone is racist. It'll make you feel better.
What the article really reveals is that if the Democrats could resist sneering at prospective voters long enough to introduce a basic economic platform*, they would be utterly sweeping it.
Instead, despite the worst economic and public health catastrophe in a century, Trump remains within the margin of error and Republicans control the courts, the Senate and nearly two-thirds of the statehouses.
* And for those of you bursting at the seams because the Pod Save America Johns told you its The Most Progressive Platform In History™ - this is yet another example of how people who do not consume mainstream media understand politics more clearly than those who do.
Adults appreciate structure, cause and effect.
Have another moan about on the football forum about how the Evil Bad Man is Evil and Bad, and everyone is racist. It'll make you feel better.
What the article really reveals is that if the Democrats could resist sneering at prospective voters long enough to introduce a basic economic platform*, they would be utterly sweeping it.
Instead, despite the worst economic and public health catastrophe in a century, Trump remains within the margin of error and Republicans control the courts, the Senate and nearly two-thirds of the statehouses.
* And for those of you bursting at the seams because the Pod Save America Johns told you its The Most Progressive Platform In History™ - this is yet another example of how people who do not consume mainstream media understand politics more clearly than those who do.
Not sure what the article is saying, or what abelard is saying. It says nothing different than what we already know - people voted for Trump based on "change", and since he's proven he's not capable of helping them, they likely will vote for him anyway. Which has nothing to do with the economy.
So they see COVID taking away football games, cringe at Biden defending Obamacare (based on what/why?). At least Obamacare was TRYING to help people, rather than voting for someone who you know won't help them.
It's all the same blah blah blah everyone forgets about us in small towns. Still doesn't excuse you from voting for someone like Trump.
It's essentially what I've been saying consistently on here for years. The article is accurate. And nothing new. And a reason why despite the train wreck of a debate for Trump it's not going to change anything, and I still think Trump has a puncher's chance of winning b/c everyone outside urban centers will be voting for him. Like 75/25
BirkenheadBlue
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You seem to have a massive problem with Pod Save America. Did they steal your lunch money or something? Slept with your girlfriend perhaps?
Theres also a pretty huge dollop of irony in you of all people critiquing people for not thinking for themselves. But I digress, im sorry. Go ahead and post another wall of someone else’s text
Couldn't disagree more.
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