Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[Death]

There's a difference between suggesting that there was interference on social media and Russian influence towards candidates, which has been shown to have grounding, and suggesting that the entire election has been rigged by one side without any proof.

You've tried to do a isn't it interesting, I'm very smart type thing and not come across as either interesting or smart.

But a Republican will say they have proof of fraud and dismiss the “proof” of Russian interference. Like you. But flippidy flipped.

Why are you attacking me personally friend? I’m just trying to get clarity. I am tired of the partisanship. I can see you are very none partisan but I am confused to why you are attacking and making presumptions on what I think of myself as I try to search for clarity. Then proceed to call me not smart or interesting. I don’t know if I am or not but it certainly doesn’t matter in the context of clarity.

The waters just have become muddier and unclear (clarity).

 

[riddick]

But if you ask a Republican they will say the same thing but spun the other way around.

Except one of based in fact and confirmed by multiple agencies along with judges saying "your claims have no facts behind them at all"

 

[Death]

2016 wasn't interfered with in terms of voter fraud - it was misinformation campaigns and so on.

Again, comparing apples and oranges. There's clearly no fraud here.

I am taking the apples and oranges and putting it under the umbrella of contested legitimacy.

 

[BlueTX]

Well one instance was that Russia genuinely did interfere in our election in 2016 and did it to benefit Trump. That benefited Trump obviously.

This time Trump is claiming, baselessly, that mail in ballots are fake or fraudulent. There's been like 5 recorded instances of that in the last 3 elections. Who would that benefit from a baseless conspiracy theory? Huh, that's weird, it would be Trump, again.

The only case in 2020 that I have seen confirmed happened in Arizona.

A Trump voter tried to vote twice.

 

[verreauxi]

 

[dead_soft]

But a Republican will say they have proof of fraud and dismiss the “proof” of Russian interference. Like you. But flippidy flipped.

Why are you attacking me personally friend? I’m just trying to get clarity. I am tired of the partisanship. I can see you are very none partisan but I am confused to why you are attacking and making presumptions on what I think of myself as I try to search for clarity. Then proceed to call me not smart or interesting. I don’t know if I am or not but it certainly doesn’t matter in the context of clarity.

The waters just have become muddier and unclear (clarity).

If you were trying to be non-partisan you would see that you are comparing two things that aren't comparable. Republicans can say what they want, but they would be wrong.

You shouldn't give two unequal sides equal weight. It's boring hearing people try to do this and then suggest they aren't taking a side.

 

[Death]

Except one of based in fact and confirmed by multiple agencies along with judges saying "your claims have no facts behind them at all"

But haven’t agencies including the fbi concluded there was no evidence trump was working with Russian to meddle in elections? And having courts always done that until a higher court comes along sooner or later and contradicts said court or when more evidence stacks up?

I’m just confused by all this. Such partisanship one side saying one thing and the other saying the other. Democrats never seem to be wrong. But then I’ll ask a Republican and they will never be wrong. And they all have “facts” and “Evidence” to the contrary of each other.

Forgive my confusion. I’m just a simple outsider trying to reach for clarity in this life.

 

[riddick]

But haven’t agencies including the fbi concluded there was no evidence trump was working with Russian to meddle in elections? And having courts always done that until a higher court comes along sooner or later and contradicts said court or when more evidence stacks up?

I’m just confused by all this. Such partisanship one side saying one thing and the other saying the other. Democrats never seem to be wrong. But then I’ll ask a Republican and they will never be wrong. And they all have “facts” and “Evidence” to the contrary of each other.

Forgive my confusion. I’m just a simple outsider trying to reach for clarity in this life.

Do you believe in Flat Earth?

 

[Death]

If you were trying to be non-partisan you would see that you are comparing two things that aren't comparable. Republicans can say what they want, but they would be wrong.

You shouldn't give two unequal sides equal weight. It's boring hearing people try to do this and then suggest they aren't taking a side.

Everything is comparable when you give it an umbrella of context like I have. Do you think I am on a side? What side is that?

 

[dead_soft]

Everything is comparable when you give it an umbrella of context like I have. Do you think I am on a side? What side is that?

What does that even mean?

One is true. The other isn't. Compare them if you want, you look very silly if you do.

 

[Prevenger17]

But haven’t agencies including the fbi concluded there was no evidence trump was working with Russian to meddle in elections?

Well no. They found that there was huge interference efforts from Russia and many, including from Trump's own inner circle, were arrested for it. There was a concerted effort to minimise it this year.

 

[LinekersLegs]

So let me get things clear. 2016 was interfered with by Russians.

2020 legit as hell?

Just need clarity. I know I can get the none partisan scoop from you guys.

Wouldn’t entirely surprise me if at some point there is evidence Russia had tried another dis-information campaign - for a start nobody seems to have a clue who is behind QAnon. Hunter’s laptop also seemed like a low rent knockoff of “her emails” although that coukd just be that Rudy is grossly less imaginative and more incompetent than Putin.

However
1) there have been some protections (although not enough) implemented by both government and social media to try to reduce any outside meddling
2) High turnout election means less impact for same disinformation
3) A lot less undecideds this time round, both pro/anti Trump so less of a pool you are working with whose vote can switch
4) Putin may have Parkinson’s, he might have other more pressing matters on his mind.

 

[BlueTX]

But haven’t agencies including the fbi concluded there was no evidence trump was working with Russian to meddle in elections? And having courts always done that until a higher court comes along sooner or later and contradicts said court or when more evidence stacks up?

I’m just confused by all this. Such partisanship one side saying one thing and the other saying the other. Democrats never seem to be wrong. But then I’ll ask a Republican and they will never be wrong. And they all have “facts” and “Evidence” to the contrary of each other.

Forgive my confusion. I’m just a simple outsider trying to reach for clarity in this life.

Proof of Trump colluding is not necessary for the NatSec community to confirm the Russian government engaged in an effort to undermine and influence the US election in 2016. The Mueller investigation led to multiple indictments against Russian agencies and actors. Every single security service of the United States government concluded Russia engaged in efforts to do this and shared this with the Obama Administration, Congressional leaders and both the Clinton and Trump campaigns.

It's not contested by anyone who is serious.

Trump's claim millions of illegal immigrants voted is simply not supportable by any study. They have no proof of this, just bluster. And they are doing it again. Big talk, no facts.

 

[Death]

Do you believe in Flat Earth?

It makes a lot of physical sense to me that it’s spherical. And why it is. So I don’t believe that at this moment in my life. But I’d never be 100%. Somebody or something could show me how 1+1 doesn’t equal 2 someday.

 

[Death]

Well no. They found that there was huge interference efforts from Russia and many, including from Trump's own inner circle, were arrested for it. There was a concerted effort to minimise it this year.

I thought the muler (fbi) report concluded no evidence in the end? I’ll have to look into that tomorrow prev. Getting late. Trumps Inner circle arrested? What was the charges and did they get thier day in court?