neil999
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I mean they had other candidate, his Running mate for example! Surely she would have done a better job, it’s on the Democratic Party and it’s voters why Biden was picked
Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election
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Biden looks so pale there, jeez.
So, was that debate an indication of where democracy is headed? childish insults and soundbite politics? (I know, these debates have gone in for years).
The UK is adopting these reality show style "debates" and wont be long before we're watching Danny Dyer vs Lawrence Fox in a battle to become our next prime minister.
I genuinely believe we are going to see a major collapse in society (or total failure in democracy) in the next 30 years.
The UK is adopting these reality show style "debates" and wont be long before we're watching Danny Dyer vs Lawrence Fox in a battle to become our next prime minister.
I genuinely believe we are going to see a major collapse in society (or total failure in democracy) in the next 30 years.
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what is the context?
The thing is, the Republicans have really messed up, because the Dems have messed up first if you follow me? Biden is not an awful candidate he is just old. His record, as the VP to a sitting President who won two big elections is very good pedigree, but he's just too old. They have messed up the post Obama transition by not having a post Obama plan.
The Republicans though, to not have someone vaguely credible is very surprising, and I think the stench of Trump will hurt the party for some years to come. I have this view, that for the most part, most people just want stability and structure from politicians. Trump seems unstructured, and unstable. That will hurt them for some time and will take some time to detoxify.
If they'd have selected Jeb Bush in 2016, they may not have won that cycle, but they would have been in a really strong position now moving forward.
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If the polling before the next debate shows Biden increasing his lead, where does that leave Trump after going uber-Trumpian in that first debate? In that scenario you'd think he'd dial the rhetoric down and be forced to stop yapping, conform to the rules of engagement and actually debate - in which case his incoherence on most issues will bury him.
There'll be some concerned looks at the polling data in the Trump camp. He's either pulled back a percentage point or two (unlikely with that calamity, IMO) or he's just ended his own presidency....and that's leaving aside Biden's underwhelming performance.
There'll be some concerned looks at the polling data in the Trump camp. He's either pulled back a percentage point or two (unlikely with that calamity, IMO) or he's just ended his own presidency....and that's leaving aside Biden's underwhelming performance.
I do agree, but the issue is people generally vote for someone don't they? I mean you can abstain, but most people don't.
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The Proud Boys lol
For the most part, I am amazed that Trump went for that strategy. People going on about the polls being wrong, and he's winning, the question I'd ask, is does someone who is winning make allures to wanting to essetnially steal the election, give a nod and a wink to armed far right groups and conduct a debate in that manner? What you see is desperation.
The 3 things that people dislike about Trump (most) are- He defends racism, he is rude and he is a bad President. A 4th overarching one is he lies. In that debate essentially he did nothing to challenge them, and everything to re-enforce them.
He;s against the walking dead in Biden, who's only strategy is be bland and hand Trump some rope to let him hang himself. By Contrast, the big weakness for Biden is that he's old. You sort of don't get to that weakness point though when Trump behaves as he did.
Genuinely no idea who's advising him, but that was the exact tact I wouldn't have taken if I were Trump. He's lost the debate, by some measures quite considerably. It's fallen on it's face. He and his general tw@ttishness are the biggest and arguably only weapon for Biden, and he plays right into their hands.
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That's ignoring the fact that Biden is accpetable to corporate America and he wont scare the horses. That's how he came though and got the Democratic nomination. Pragmatism. The Democrats saw a sitting duck president who they only need to play a straight bat against to force a win. If anyone left of Biden got the nomination we'd likely be seeing a greater examination of their character and policy and the attack on Trump would have been weakened. I mean that's the trade off in the Democratic camp I would have thought; not that I agree with that, but there was a logic to it...and it will pay off in terms of getting the keys to the WH.
Bishop Thumpety-Thump
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I assume this is meant ironically.Hi prev.
Still not contributing to any discussion and looking like a tit whilst doing it I see. Glad to see your contribution to the election thread is to talk about me, makes me feel all so special given you have me on ignore, bit weird that mate.
But you won't see this so
On topic.
So it seems the Latin American voters will support trump and the white Americans will vote Biden based on these polls.
It's definitely the same energy.
Occasionally they come across Everton twitter and try and give it the big one, to much hilarity. They seem to struggle with the idea that nobody is impressed with them here that they've started wearing Fred Perry about 40 years after people in Liverpool did.
davek
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The stuff about the mailed in votes and the general questioning of the ballot security was unbelievably poor strategy by Trump. I know he's been talking about it for weeks and months, but this near the election and in a head to head presidential debate it makes him look like he's conceded the result already, and that seeps into his potential vote amongst the uncommitted. If you were still wondering where to put your vote before an election would you think it was worthwhile handing it to Trump when he's virtually saying the only chance he has is to get the result into the Supreme Court to contest?
I ended up getting into a prolonged discussion about Biden a while back, with interesting points on either sides. In terms of a short term move, Biden made a lot of sense. They lost in 2016 because they ran a woman for President, who was married to probably the most successful Democratic President and followed on from 8 years of a black president. Trump could whip people up into an anti-woman, anti- black, anti- sleeze (Clinton) block.
That's just a lot harder to do with an old, white, fairly moderate/conservative man. The attacks on Kamala Harris have failed. The attacks of saying he's a pupped for the left have failed. I'm not sure what else Trump has. I know it sounds harsh, but he's not black, he's not a woman and he's from the South of America, so for middle America they are just not angry towards him.
I would have gone Sanders, and I still think Sanders wins, but probably has to do so in a different and riskier way. Trump would at least have more amunition against him. He has nothing against Biden. He calls him old, which has stuck, but I'm not sure that really angers people in the same way.
Biden will face a medium term challenge though. He is going to be flanked by the left and the right in America and put under enormous pressure from day 1. There's no time for complacency with the Democrats. Unless there is major reform, there is a big medium term risk of the far right re-emerging.
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