The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[davek]

That debate last night though: seeing Sturgeon pummelling Miliband on just about everything was sweet.

Pay back for his scuttling of a democratic movement back last September.

Turns out revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

[Tubey]

The NHS should look to deliver the best care possible for the best price possible. Where that care comes from should be irrelevant imo.

This is where I fundamentally disagree with you. A private company will always put profits first, standards second. A nationalised service will always put standards first as they are answerable to the people.

That's why private enterprise in health is an incredible risk.

For example - http://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/...estions-from-politicians-on-funding-1-6656708

 

[Joey66]

Scaremongering.

Immigrants are only able to use NHS services for free is they are exempt, i.e. if they are working and contributing by paying taxes just like you or I.

The so-called NHS tourism accounts for 0.06% if the NHS budget, yet Farage brings it up at the first opportunity when the NHS is discussed. There are so many other issues with the NHS which should take priority buy sadly he is unable to consider anything apart from blaming the immigrants.

It's fact the NHS was built on NI contribution please inform me of a immigrant who lands on our shores has contributed NI contributions on arrival without any medical on entry this is a fact not scaremongering just common sense for the UK as a country!
Any other country even when travelling on holiday you need or it is advisable to have health insurance if that is not necessary or common sense it is not scaremongering!

 

[roydo]

A private company will always put profits first, standards second. A nationalised service will always put standards first as they are answerable to the people.

Not really. A private company with rubbish standards wont make much money. And do you remember trying to get a telephone from the GPO? Utter hogwash.

 

[Tubey]

It's fact the NHS was built on NI contribution please inform me of a immigrant who lands on our shores has contributed NI contributions on arrival without any medical on entry this is a fact not scaremongering just common sense for the UK as a country!
Any other country even when travelling on holiday you need or it is advisable to have health insurance if that is not necessary or common sense it is not scaremongering!

That's a completely separate issue - we're talking about immigrants; people who come here to live.

 

[Tubey]

Not really. A private company with rubbish standards wont make much money. And do you remember trying to get a telephone from the GPO? Utter hogwash.

Been on a train lately?

 

[Joey66]

That debate last night though: seeing Sturgeon pummelling Miliband on just about everything was sweet.

Pay back for his scuttling of a democratic movement back last September.

Turns out revenge is a dish best served cold.

Sturgeon was the only candidate who is not standing as a MP in the UK - why was she was invited to be on a podium?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is where I fundamentally disagree with you. A private company will always put profits first, standards second. A nationalised service will always put standards first as they are answerable to the people.

I think that's an overly simplistic heuristic. We've (sadly) seen plenty of instances where care in the NHS wasn't great, whether it's in Staffordshire or Baby P. It's a huge system so it's inevitable that there will be things going wrong in it. That doesn't mean that they aren't putting standards first, just that humans are fallible.

Equally, I don't contend that private companies will automatically look to screw customers over at every chance they get. For instance, a lot of the healthcare start-ups I talk to are run by doctors. It's hard to imagine they're ethical by day, bastards by night Most companies I've dealt with in this field just want to make a difference, and indeed many have taken to starting their own enterprise to do so because of the often sclerotic and cautious nature of things in the NHS. They simply think they can innovate and experiment more effectively outside it than inside it.

 

[roydo]

Been on a train lately?

I have as it happens. I have never had a serious problem with them. That being said, I wouldnt want to commute on one every day.

 

[Seanjd]

@Joey66 - see below re: your NHS draining point.
@Dymak - see below re: your social care overspend on immigrants point.

"The contribution of recent immigrants (i.e. those who arrived after 1999) to the UK fiscal system, however, has been consistently positive and remarkably strong. Between 2001 and 2011 recent EEA immigrants contributed to the fiscal system 34% more than they took out, with a net fiscal contribution of about 22.1 billion GBP."

Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration Department of Economics, University College London

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf

 

[Dymak]

It's a pity you have zero statistics to back any of that up.

Why don't you save me from the Google search and provide me with the statistics on health and social care expenditure and immigrants then? Then we can all marvel at how small the figure is?

 

[Joey66]

@Joey66 - see below re: your NHS draining point.
@Dymak - see below re: your social care overspend on immigrants point.

"The contribution of recent immigrants (i.e. those who arrived after 1999) to the UK fiscal system, however, has been consistently positive and remarkably strong. Between 2001 and 2011 recent EEA immigrants contributed to the fiscal system 34% more than they took out, with a net fiscal contribution of about 22.1 billion GBP."

Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration Department of Economics, University College London

http://www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf

Does that include every school place G P,housing or hospital usage how many years of NI contribution any immigrate has been paid?
Does that outlay on free immigration without a medical is that covered in your figures?
Also why do the USA, Austrailia have a points system for migrants?
It's common sense the no need to debate!
The EU is not our country!

 

[TheAlmightyFloater]

The best thing about that referendum is the increase in interest in politics in Scotland. Makes their parliament even more accountable. Good news that.

We hope it raises a new generation of voters that don't just vote Labour cause their daddy voted Labour. If we can make MPs realise their seats aren't safe anymore, then they might start to take us seriously.

 

[Deggo]

I am just a bloke doing his best for himself and his family.

Aren't we all mate

 

[Seanjd]

Does that include every school place G P,housing or hospital usage how many years of NI contribution any immigrate has been paid?
Does that outlay on free immigration without a medical is that covered in your figures?
Also why do the USA, Austrailia have a points system for migrants?
It's common sense the no need to debate!
The EU is not our country!

Your argument is proven wrong with figures. Keep clutching at straws, though.

Fiscal expenditure is everything the government spends on. So yes, it includes those things you mention.