The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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I get contacted from YouGov asking my opinion on various topics. Obviously with the election coming up I get virtually a poll a day.
With it today came a map of the UK which enables you to see the state of the parties in your constituency. I'm pleased to say that it isn't looking rosy for Esther Mcvey.
https://yougov.co.uk/#/centre
 
Well that's the joy of a free society,your entitled to have your values and vote whichever way you see fit,the labour principle is still on the working classes and trade unions both of which I live and work under

Absolutely right - I'm not questioning your right to vote for who you wish, I've just never really understood why socialists would vote for a party that supports capitalism.
 
So we we should seek to imitate the ways of countries who do not look after their people because they wouldn't look after us if we went there, basically?

I'm saying that's the reality, and that the facts should be taken into consideration within the debate. I get the impression that people seem reluctant to acknowledge that we are already saying "No, go home" to many an application from outside the EU. I think most people recognise that this isn't because of racism, but because we just would not be able to cope with what it would entail. Those factors ALSO apply to the EU debate, and they are also the same reasons that numerous other countries throughout the world tell people "No, go home" every day of the week.

I'm at total opposites with those people who start arguing that borders and nationalities are social constructions and should therefore be ignored and disregarded. They may be social constructions but they are as real as the many other social constructs like money, the law and all the other things that make us a society. There is a reason why countries try to control their immigration, and I'm pointing out that we are actually being incredibly generous in an era that is being dominated by this 'austerity' nonsense. And I'm questioning the logic and indeed the logistics of taking on half of Europe's social care caseload at a time when British people are being laid off due to austerity measures?

The criminal thing is just clear cut. It makes no sense to take on another country's criminals. No sense whatsoever.
 
I'm saying that's the reality, and that the facts should be taken into consideration within the debate. I get the impression that people seem reluctant to acknowledge that we are already saying "No, go home" to many an application from outside the EU. I think most people recognise that this isn't because of racism, but because we just would not be able to cope with what it would entail. Those factors ALSO apply to the EU debate, and they are also the same reasons that numerous other countries throughout the world tell people "No, go home" every day of the week.

I'm at total opposites with those people who start arguing that borders and nationalities are social constructions and should therefore be ignored and disregarded. They may be social constructions but they are as real as the many other social constructs like money, the law and all the other things that make us a society. There is a reason why countries try to control their immigration, and I'm pointing out that we are actually being incredibly generous in an era that is being dominated by this 'austerity' nonsense. And I'm questioning the logic and indeed the logistics of taking on half of Europe's social care caseload at a time when British people are being laid off due to austerity measures?

The criminal thing is just clear cut. It makes no sense to take on another country's criminals. No sense whatsoever.

The cost of social care to EU immigrants is very small. Welfare spending in general on EU immigrants is very small. The right wing media, of course, love to exaggerate the impact without ever quoting figures. Your argument looks at punishing Europeans who need social care because Britons are being laid off due to austerity measures. Surely better to deal with austerity measures...?
 
The cost of social care to EU immigrants is very small. Welfare spending in general on EU immigrants is very small. The right wing media, of course, love to exaggerate the impact without ever quoting figures. Your argument looks at punishing Europeans who need social care because Britons are being laid off due to austerity measures. Surely better to deal with austerity measures...?

It's amazing how right wingers repeatedly ignore these facts, because it doesn't cosy up to their viewpoint.

It's also amazing how a lot of this right wing anti-immigrant views stems from areas that actually have very low immigration, and is predominantly white. Funny that. Almost as if they're scared of a ghost that doesn't exist, isn't it?
 
Innovation by its very nature is disruptive and unproven. I like innovation in business as it creates real opportunities to enter or expand existing markets. However a lot of innovation fails, that's just its nature.

I think this is the principal concern as far as the NHS is concerned, and you will know better than me.

How do you introduce innovation that if it fails will not materially effect the health and lives of those requiring health services?

I don't think it has to be that way. If you think of a clinical trial, for instance, even those in the control group aren't losing out as they get the best that's currently available, they're just being compared with a new approach that could be better. At the moment that's how most innovations operate in the NHS, with pilots undertaken to prove effectiveness before it's scaled up. The process is far from ideal as that dissemination is largely incredibly hard, but it's very rare that anything unproven will get implemented.

It makes sense to look wherever for insights though. Only this week I reviewed a new lighting system that in addition to lighting a room, will also disinfect it very quickly and effectively. Given the huge cost and health risks of hospital infection, this could be hugely beneficial. Should it be discounted because it's made by a US company? I'd say most folks would rationally say not.

Except, of course, we discover that not only does the government bug everything and everyone through legalised backdoors in the hardware or software (naturally, just to thwart paedophiles, drug dealers and terrorists), businesses are now busy selling all that information that you clicked Yes to when you agreed to use the app and didn't read the T&C. As the old (in internet years) saying goes, if you can't work out how something is making money, you are what is being sold.

And the push for profit-centres in the NHS turns into flogging off your patient details for pennies to data mining companies who then happily sell them on for stairlift retailers to bombard invalids with nuisance calls.

I think we have to be careful not to scaremonger here. We're in an environment where patients have only this past few weeks been given unbridled access to their patient records in the NHS. The sharing of data internally is pretty appalling. To use an example, The Economist reviewed a number of papers this week talking about the crucial importance of the first 1000 days of a childs life (the 9 months pre-birth and the first few years of their life).

Do you think that midwives, health visitors and GPs share information on mums/babies to ensure those first 1000 years are great? Do they buggery. This is basic stuff, and doesn't even touch on the potential use of that data should data scientists get hold of it and start to extrapolate trends, ensure resources are focused in the right areas and so on.

Instead, policy makers are having to use things like Google searchers or tweets to try and extrapolate things like the spread of flu throughout a community. We should be able to do better than that, and I know Tim Kelsey has pulled his hair out over the politics and scaremongering around health data that is completely uncalled for.

This is especially problematic in clinical trials, where it's still very rare for trial data to be shared, especially for failed trials, so companies have no idea if anyone else has already gone down that blind alley, thus there's very little learning from mistakes going on. It's a major issue.

.....I think the fundamental point of the state running a service is that it is a service, it is not a profit making business. If the railway is a national 'service' it will run non profit making routes because the public in remote areas need that transport to get to work.

The NHS can't be a bottomless pit, it has to be efficient but ultimately it is a 'service' with the prime objective of meeting the requirements of the nation.

I don't think it's either or. Most of the incredible services offered in India are for-profit, and yet they still manage to deliver fantastic care for much less than we do. Buurtzog in Belgium is a private, yet non-profit, community nursing organisation that are equally highly regarded.

The NHS should look to deliver the best care possible for the best price possible. Where that care comes from should be irrelevant imo.
 
The cost of social care to EU immigrants is very small. Welfare spending in general on EU immigrants is very small. The right wing media, of course, love to exaggerate the impact without ever quoting figures. Your argument looks at punishing Europeans who need social care because Britons are being laid off due to austerity measures. Surely better to deal with austerity measures...?

I'm sorry but I don't believe that at all. I'm no mathematician, but I know how much care packages cost and I have some knowledge about the type of numbers that some councils are dealing with. Very small isn't how I would describe such expenditure. I'm not jumping up and down wanting to remove social care services from the most vulnerable and afflicted people in society, if anyone deserves a bit of a break then it is them! But I am pointing out that that there are very valid reasons why almost every country in the world has some kind of immigration policy, and that some kind of thresholds need to be put in place (as there already are) in order to protect our own citizens.

Looking forward, a lot of these immigrants are going to grow old, become disabled or develop dementia etc. The costs are not small, the costs are only going to get bigger, eligibility is increasing, and we are being told the budget is going to get smaller. What's going to give?
 
It's amazing how right wingers repeatedly ignore these facts, because it doesn't cosy up to their viewpoint.

It's also amazing how a lot of this right wing anti-immigrant views stems from areas that actually have very low immigration, and is predominantly white. Funny that. Almost as if they're scared of a ghost that doesn't exist, isn't it?

Yep. Trouble is, both sides do it. Does my nut the way either side grabs a pretty unimportant point, (in the scheme of things) to amplify their own agenda. The Mail and Guardian have it down to almost an art form.
 
I get contacted from YouGov asking my opinion on various topics. Obviously with the election coming up I get virtually a poll a day.
With it today came a map of the UK which enables you to see the state of the parties in your constituency. I'm pleased to say that it isn't looking rosy for Esther Mcvey.
https://yougov.co.uk/#/centre

Interesting difference between the nowcast and forecast, still a fairly big swing to the Tories expected in the run up to Election Day. Generally the sitting MP will enjoy a bounce of 1500 votes, it's the norm based on previous voting behaviour so I presume this is factored into that forecast

If the gap between Lab / Con is that big (IE 10 seats plus) Cameron will survive, there simply wouldnt be a strong enough case to legitimately form a government. If Labour are within a couple of seats or ahead seat wise they'll form a government propped up by the SNP.

Sturgeons strong showing last night may actually be a good thing for the Tories, those on the fence north of the border have probably had their minds made up now. The already dwindling Labour vote in Scotland will fall again.
 
Interesting difference between the nowcast and forecast, still a fairly big swing to the Tories expected in the run up to Election Day. Generally the sitting MP will enjoy a bounce of 1500 votes, it's the norm based on previous voting behaviour so I presume this is factored into that forecast

If the gap between Lab / Con is that big (IE 10 seats plus) Cameron will survive, there simply wouldnt be a strong enough case to legitimately form a government. If Labour are within a couple of seats or ahead seat wise they'll form a government propped up by the SNP.

Sturgeons strong showing last night may actually be a good thing for the Tories, those on the fence north of the border have probably had their minds made up now. The already dwindling Labour vote in Scotland will fall again.
More like a bad thing for the DC - He may just scrape a win if the Lib Dems fall away that's his coalition gone - it may end up with a rainbow coalition of SNP - greens - plaid with Labour - if DC had the normal TV debates it may have turned out better for him he looked like a lost sheep stood on the end last night!
 
How does someone working class vote Tory? I know it goes on and there's droves of them.

Just never been able to get my head around that Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima mindset.
 
I'm saying that's the reality, and that the facts should be taken into consideration within the debate. I get the impression that people seem reluctant to acknowledge that we are already saying "No, go home" to many an application from outside the EU. I think most people recognise that this isn't because of racism, but because we just would not be able to cope with what it would entail. Those factors ALSO apply to the EU debate, and they are also the same reasons that numerous other countries throughout the world tell people "No, go home" every day of the week.

I'm at total opposites with those people who start arguing that borders and nationalities are social constructions and should therefore be ignored and disregarded. They may be social constructions but they are as real as the many other social constructs like money, the law and all the other things that make us a society. There is a reason why countries try to control their immigration, and I'm pointing out that we are actually being incredibly generous in an era that is being dominated by this 'austerity' nonsense. And I'm questioning the logic and indeed the logistics of taking on half of Europe's social care caseload at a time when British people are being laid off due to austerity measures?

The criminal thing is just clear cut. It makes no sense to take on another country's criminals. No sense whatsoever.
It's a pity you have zero statistics to back any of that up.
 
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