The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Deggo]

That's a completely separate issue - we're talking about immigrants; people who come here to live.

I think his point is they come here and get free treatment without paying into the system,whether on holiday or migrating,yet when travelling abroad we are advised to take out health insurance

 

[Dymak]

Your argument is proven wrong with figures. Keep clutching at straws, though.

Fiscal expenditure is everything the government spends on. So yes, it includes those things you mention.

He's asked you a question about the methodology that was used in the creation of the 'facts' that you have put forward. It's a fair question tbh, is a record kept of each and every social care transaction with an immigrant, and how accurate would such a list be even if it existed? The report was made in 2013 as well, before even more countries were granted access through EU status.

 

[Joey66]

Your argument is proven wrong with figures. Keep clutching at straws, though.

Give me your figures on the post above answer is you spurge stats that do not cover the strain of immigration on society last years figures are the population of Hull! I am not a UKIP vote, but you must see why the rise of UKIP this year is based on facts that our country do not even count people in or out no medicals etc
Try and stay in a country where they have migration control it must be a common sense policy for any future Government, yes immigration under control is needed at the moment as training of our youth is pathetic - Added to that any skilled profession like teachers or nurses, and GPS also consultants if the cost to leave this country after passing out , and being competent they should be made to pay all their training back as at the moment it is free
It is ridiculous that they leave freely!
QT last night stated would we need mass immigration if school leavers went into a a professional training job like working in the NHS!

 

[davek]

Sturgeon was the only candidate who is not standing as a MP in the UK - why was she was invited to be on a podium?

I think it's because the SNP will have a massive role to play post May 7th. They'll hold the balance of power and therefore we all should hear what they're about.

 

[davek]

Why don't you save me from the Google search and provide me with the statistics on health and social care expenditure and immigrants then? Then we can all marvel at how small the figure is?

I have to back your point up for you?!

I'm not sure that's the way to go about matters.

 

[Joey66]

I think it's because the SNP will have a massive role to play post May 7th. They'll hold the balance of power and therefore we all should hear what they're about.

Surely a standing SNP would have been more ethical if that's the case the Irish DUP invited?

 

[Dymak]

I have to back your point up for you?!

I'm not sure that's the way to go about matters.

I've been arguing against people who have been claiming that health and social care expenditure on immigrant populations is small, I don't see why the responsibility to provide the 'official' statistics should be on me, any more than it should be on you. I'm happy to marvel at the statistics if they are presented to me though.

Anyway, I don't agree with the Tory plan at all, and I actually question whether their plan is even implementable, as I don't see how numerous government departments could possibly cope with yet further cuts. Especially with the new Care Act, which we are yet to see the effect of.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I've been arguing against people who have been claiming that health and social care expenditure on immigrant populations is small, I don't see why the responsibility to provide the 'official' statistics should be on me, any more than it should be on you. I'm happy to marvel at the statistics if they are presented to me though.

Anyway, I don't agree with the Tory plan at all, and I actually question whether their plan is even implementable, as I don't see how numerous government departments could possibly cope with yet further cuts. Especially with the new Care Act, which we are yet to see the effect of.

So what you're saying is that neither of you have any data to back you up? lol

 

[davek]

Surely a standing SNP would have been more ethical if that's the case the Irish DUP invited?

But they'll have a maximum 8 seats and are unlikely coalition partner (I think the moment Westminster politics goes down that 'Ulsterisation' route is a dangerous development...what's to stop Labour then calling in 5 or 6 Sinn Fein MPs to prop up their bid for power?).

 

[davek]

So what you're saying is that neither of you have any data to back you up? lol

But I'm not claiming anything!

 

[Blue 1]

But they'll have a maximum 8 seats and are unlikely coalition partner (I think the moment Westminster politics goes down that 'Ulsterisation' route is a dangerous development...what's to stop Labour then calling in 5 or 6 Sinn Fein MPs to prop up their bid for power?).

Sinn Fein's policy of abstentionism?

 

[Tubey]

I think that's an overly simplistic heuristic. We've (sadly) seen plenty of instances where care in the NHS wasn't great, whether it's in Staffordshire or Baby P. It's a huge system so it's inevitable that there will be things going wrong in it. That doesn't mean that they aren't putting standards first, just that humans are fallible.

Equally, I don't contend that private companies will automatically look to screw customers over at every chance they get. For instance, a lot of the healthcare start-ups I talk to are run by doctors. It's hard to imagine they're ethical by day, bastards by night Most companies I've dealt with in this field just want to make a difference, and indeed many have taken to starting their own enterprise to do so because of the often sclerotic and cautious nature of things in the NHS. They simply think they can innovate and experiment more effectively outside it than inside it.

I didn't say they were Bruce - what I said is that they will always put profits foremost. If profit comes with good care, they'll provide good care. If it comes via cutting corners, they'll cut corners.

 

[The Equaliser]

Surely a standing SNP would have been more ethical if that's the case the Irish DUP invited?

LOL

 

[davek]

Sinn Fein's policy of abstentionism?

Irish Nationalists have done deals in the Commons long before now. Sinn Fein are currently looking for power in the Dail and what better way to show how responsible they are than to have a constructive voice in another parliament?

 

[The Equaliser]

But they'll have a maximum 8 seats and are unlikely coalition partner (I think the moment Westminster politics goes down that 'Ulsterisation' route is a dangerous development...what's to stop Labour then calling in 5 or 6 Sinn Fein MPs to prop up their bid for power?).

No there wouldn't be a coalition but they could end up propping up Cameron. In fact no scenario would make them happier.

There is zero chance of Sinn Fein ever going near Westminster.