The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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UKIP and possibly the DUP?

I know it's only polls, but; the current polls suggest that even a CON/UKIP/LIB/DUP coalition wouldn't have the seats required to govern. Also, UKIP have ruled out coalition (I'll believe that when I see it). It's reassuring that UKIP are only projected to get 4 seats.
 
funny thing with all these extra jobs national productivity is down ? are there 1.25 million extra really producing the some total of nothing.
Or is it the con trick of taking one full time job and splitting it into three part time jobs, that the employer can pay next to nothing or no national insurance, holiday pay sick pay ect , while we the taxpayer pick up the bill in top up benefits,
I would love to see the figures for how many people that are in part employed by the government who after all are making up their wages , aren't the tory party against this sort of thing, the government paying for millions of subsidised jobs or does that go out of the window when they and their friends can make a few bob out of it.
The unemployment figures don't include 16-18 yr olds anymore as they can't leave education till a later date this is the first time this has had that effect also anybody that is hitting the job center back to work targets has been taken of the jobless figures as they are now counted as actively seeking work not unemployed.
Yes everything is rosy out there . loads of jobs to be had lifes never been so good, vote tory

Not all that different than NZ. I'm convinced there is and unwritten agreement, that employers can keep wages low and the Govt...centre or lefties to a man or hairy legged long skirted lesbian, pay out ' top up ' benefits to make it worth the while for low paid workers to bother getting job, whilst they think they are fiddling the system Bro...sweet.
 
Pete, go and read the independent reports, Social Policy in a Cold Climate written and funded by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, Nuffield Foundation and the Trust for London.

http://sticerd.lse.ac.uk/case/_new/research/Social_Policy_in_a_Cold_Climate.asp

It shows that non-protected (protected is a loose term in this context) spending has fallen by more than 30% during the period of this Government.

One of the harshest areas of austerity and its' effects can be found in real spending per child on early education, childcare and Sure Start services were spending fell by a quarter between 2009-10 and 2012-13. Provision for adult social care users fell 7 per cent per year during the Coalition period to 2013/14

Here's a link:

http://www.casedata.org.uk/coalition-overview

I accept that not only have cuts been made but that they have been targeted with some gaining and some losing (pensioners v benefits), but the country was spending more than it was earning and indeed continues to do so at an even greater rate. We can't just bury our collective heads in the sand and I'm not really interested in the party politics of this but some of the things done by the coalition had to be done, and like it or not whoever gets in next will face the same issues which will either be tackled, kicked down the lane or worsened.

I thought the conclusion from that overview document spelt it out tbh...

"There is no doubt that the Coalition Government formed in 2010 faced a very tough fiscal climate and ongoing social policy challenges. Its response was to seek to reduce the deficit quickly. It also decided to achieve most of its fiscal rebalancing through public spending cuts rather than increased taxes, and to protect the NHS, schools and pensions - all very big areas of public spending - from major cuts. And it implemented some expensive commitments, notably increasing the income tax personal allowance to £10,000 and a more generous system for uprating state pensions.

These decisions meant that while the overall reduction in public expenditure has been less than three per cent, very substantial cuts were made in unprotected areas, largely in local services. In the tax and benefits system, pensions were protected and benefits to lower income families were reduced, while there were tax reductions for some better off households. Despite the aim that the better-off should contribute a greater share of income than the poor, the reverse was the case across most of the income distribution. Poverty rates measured against a fixed threshold rose to 2012/13 (the latest official data) and are predicted to rise further, and there are signs of increasing material deprivation and hardship arising from a combination of rising costs of living, reductions in the value of benefits and eligibility and short-term benefit sanctions. Meanwhile, the 'protected' NHS has experienced real average annual expenditure growth rates that have been positive but exceptionally low, while adult social care services have been cut.

Although current public attention rests on 'the cuts', the Coalition's large-scale reforms designed to reduce the size of the state, stimulate private and voluntary provision and increase personal responsibility may ultimately prove its biggest legacy. It is too soon to establish their effects on social and economic outcomes. Whoever is elected in 2015 faces a welfare state in flux, with fundamental changes to the NHS, schools, and benefits still underway. At the same time, many problems that the Coalition inherited remain. Increasing need for health and social care, unaffordable housing, a regionally unbalanced economy, and continuing labour market inequalities all remain to be tackled, as do child poverty, insufficient high quality affordable childcare, a weak system of apprenticeships for young people and relatively ineffective mechanisms for helping workless people back into work. The next Government, like the Coalition, will need to address these issues in the context of high public sector net debt and a current budget deficit, and with many of the most straightforward cuts already made. The climate for social policy and those most affected by it will remain cold for the foreseeable future."
 
But the government departments are not supposed to exist to generate employment, they are to deliver what the country needs. Gordon Brown and co used the government recruitment as a way of generating Labour votes. Maybe,just maybe, your government department actually doesn't need any more people. We certainly do not need any more expensive failing government programmes. Businesses however are recruiting and they are the only people who actually generate wealth in a very competitive world.

Teachers saying that the system is falling apart is a bit rich tbh. Teachers are not being made redundant, they are not on zero hour contracts, they cannot be displaced by cheap foreign competitors, and they get paid very well before picking up a nice pension. Like many who do very nicely from the public purse a little less moaning and a bit more pragmatism is required. You can't spend what you haven't got and the only people who generate wealth are in the private sector.

I too worked and brought up a family through the thatcher years, it was tough but it was needed and our lives have improved as a result......

....have to agree to disagree.
 
I accept that not only have cuts been made but that they have been targeted with some gaining and some losing (pensioners v benefits), but the country was spending more than it was earning and indeed continues to do so at an even greater rate. We can't just bury our collective heads in the sand and I'm not really interested in the party politics of this but some of the things done by the coalition had to be done, and like it or not whoever gets in next will face the same issues which will either be tackled, kicked down the lane or worsened.

I thought the conclusion from that overview document spelt it out tbh...

"There is no doubt that the Coalition Government formed in 2010 faced a very tough fiscal climate and ongoing social policy challenges. Its response was to seek to reduce the deficit quickly. It also decided to achieve most of its fiscal rebalancing through public spending cuts rather than increased taxes, and to protect the NHS, schools and pensions - all very big areas of public spending - from major cuts. And it implemented some expensive commitments, notably increasing the income tax personal allowance to £10,000 and a more generous system for uprating state pensions.

These decisions meant that while the overall reduction in public expenditure has been less than three per cent, very substantial cuts were made in unprotected areas, largely in local services. In the tax and benefits system, pensions were protected and benefits to lower income families were reduced, while there were tax reductions for some better off households. Despite the aim that the better-off should contribute a greater share of income than the poor, the reverse was the case across most of the income distribution. Poverty rates measured against a fixed threshold rose to 2012/13 (the latest official data) and are predicted to rise further, and there are signs of increasing material deprivation and hardship arising from a combination of rising costs of living, reductions in the value of benefits and eligibility and short-term benefit sanctions. Meanwhile, the 'protected' NHS has experienced real average annual expenditure growth rates that have been positive but exceptionally low, while adult social care services have been cut.

Although current public attention rests on 'the cuts', the Coalition's large-scale reforms designed to reduce the size of the state, stimulate private and voluntary provision and increase personal responsibility may ultimately prove its biggest legacy. It is too soon to establish their effects on social and economic outcomes. Whoever is elected in 2015 faces a welfare state in flux, with fundamental changes to the NHS, schools, and benefits still underway. At the same time, many problems that the Coalition inherited remain. Increasing need for health and social care, unaffordable housing, a regionally unbalanced economy, and continuing labour market inequalities all remain to be tackled, as do child poverty, insufficient high quality affordable childcare, a weak system of apprenticeships for young people and relatively ineffective mechanisms for helping workless people back into work. The next Government, like the Coalition, will need to address these issues in the context of high public sector net debt and a current budget deficit, and with many of the most straightforward cuts already made. The climate for social policy and those most affected by it will remain cold for the foreseeable future."

Do you now admit that austerity measures have been taken after denying it? This report is damning, are you really using it to back up why the Coalition had to make cuts?
 
here are a few examples of cuts
In June, the Independent Living Fund, which provides funding for around 18,000 disabled people to work and live in the community, will be wound down. In Liverpool, there will be a decision in early 2015 over whether the council will close a possible 23 out of the city’s 26 Sure Start centres. On a smaller scale, organisations including theIslington Centre for Refugees and Migrants, in north London, which supports around 150 refugees and asylum seekers, providing English classes, faces closure because of cuts to education budgets. “These are people who come to us on a daily basis who desperately need some kind of support,” project manager Andy Ruiz Palma says. “I would lose my job, but I am more worried about the clients. There is nowhere else for them to go.” In Ealing, west London, parents are campaigning to save the lipop crossing role, done for the past 20 years by Eileen Rowles, and now at risk of being discontinued because of council spending cuts.

Plus if you do more than a passing search you will find that
The Office for Budget Responsibility said in December that the chancellor’s plans would mean one million further government job losses by 2020 (a total fall from early 2011 of 1.3 million), representing a 20% fall in headcount.

So the Islington Centre for Refugees and Migrants is closing down. Good. And before the council sacks lowly paid lipop ladies they might just have a look at the salaries paid to council officials instead of political headline grabbing 'cuts' that save almost no money...
 
Do you now admit that austerity measures have been taken after denying it? This report is damning, are you really using it to back up why the Coalition had to make cuts?

I'm saying that this austerity you keep shouting about is nothing of the sort. I'm now assuming, and please let me apologise if I am wrong, that you are not of an age to have actually experienced real austerity.......
 
....have to agree to disagree.

Indeed mate, but that's what this thread is about. It's not so much that we all see things differently, as we all want proper services, support for the needy and the young, etc, it's just about how we achieve it.......
 
I'm saying that this austerity you keep shouting about is nothing of the sort. I'm now assuming, and please let me apologise if I am wrong, that you are not of an age to have actually experienced real austerity.......
So what is real austerity Peter?
 
I'm saying that this austerity you keep shouting about is nothing of the sort. I'm now assuming, and please let me apologise if I am wrong, that you are not of an age to have actually experienced real austerity.......

I, like everybody else, is experiencing austerity of the same levels as in the 1980's. Don't patronise me please.
 
So what is real austerity Peter?

Well, I wont go into the depths of history, but perhaps just look at Greece. They have massive youth unemployment and their pensions are being cut. Now it can be argued that they were living above their means anyway, but putting that aside, for the people of Greece they would laugh at the suggestion that what we have in the UK is savage austerity.....
 
but isnt that all relative to the standard of living in the said countries?Is starving the weak poor and needy a good
way to save money? Is treating unemployed people worse than crimin
als ok in your eyes?
 
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