The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%

  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%

  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%

  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%

  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%
  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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Tubey said:
Wait, someone is denying we're in a period of austerity???

What an odd thing to say. I mean, yeah, we're not "starving African children" levels of poverty but it's all relative obviously!
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That maybe is the issue. Some on here think austerity is not being able to buy the next iPhone.......
 
peteblue said:
That maybe is the issue. Some on here think austerity is not being able to buy the next iPhone.......
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Come on Pete, we all know what austerity means and the impact it has on the poorest and most vulnerable.

Look at the mess social care is in through lack of funding. Not only is it morally reprehensible but it is an entirely false economy. Lack of social care means poorer outcomes for the people who need it, the sick, elderly, vulnerable and disadvantaged, ending in greater social problems, poorer health, genuine deprivation and huge financial cost let alone the cost to society.
 
peteblue said:
That maybe is the issue. Some on here think austerity is not being able to buy the next iPhone.......
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I'm just going to assume you're on a wind up, as you're simply not that stupid.

A study by Sheffield Hallam University last month found Liverpool's economic growth would be set back two and a half years as a result of the welfare reforms. They said the changes would cost Merseyside as a whole £847m.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...y-benefit-cuts-deprived-areas-_n_3137416.html

If that isn't austerity, I don't know what is, but I'm not going to argue the point any further as it really is a case of pointing out that the grass is green, the sky is blue and so on.
 
the esk said:
Come on Pete, we all know what austerity means and the impact it has on the poorest and most vulnerable.

Look at the mess social care is in through lack of funding. Not only is it morally reprehensible but it is an entirely false economy. Lack of social care means poorer outcomes for the people who need it, the sick, elderly, vulnerable and disadvantaged, ending in greater social problems, poorer health, genuine deprivation and huge financial cost let alone the cost to society.
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Yeah, I was being a bit flippant, and we all want to see us get sorted without too much pain, but some go on as though 5-10 million have been thrown to the wolves. We can cut, raise taxes or borrow more, they are the key options which we need to get our heads around. If people cannot even accept that the Islington Refugee and Migrants centre is a contender for a cut without screaming 'savage cuts' then we have no chance of sorting out the mess.......
 
peteblue said:
So I'm assuming that you didn't, and this explains your complete lack of understanding. There are a few on here who did, and either view Thatcher as a saviour or a demented bitch, but at least have some personal experience to back it up......
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This is quite insulting. Again, I will ask you; do you really think you need to live through something to have an understanding of it? If so, then we wouldn't understand much about anything pre 1930's. Regardless of that fact, you continue to assume both my age and background.
 
"Tyrannosaurus lived throughout what is now western North America, which then was an island continent named Laramidia, around 66 to 68 million years ago."

"LAD WER U DER THO? WER YA LIKE? NAH DIDNT THINK SO, SO YOU KNOW NOTHIN LAD, DO ONE EH?"
 
"You didn't live through them times so you can't have an opinion" is one of my favourite lines ever.

We can't call Concentration camps a bad thing then? Because I assume none of us were there.
 
Seanjd said:
This is quite insulting. Again, I will ask you; do you really think you need to live through something to have an understanding of it? If so, then we wouldn't understand much about anything pre 1930's. Regardless of that fact, you continue to assume both my age and background.
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Not at all, but those who have lived through an event or a period of time may have a better understanding than those who did not. Historians cannot agree on anything, they have an opinion based either on written word and interpretation. Same as I would prefer the word of someone who went to the 1968 cup final rather than the interpretation from someone who researched it on google or whatever.........
 
Tubey said:
"Tyrannosaurus lived throughout what is now western North America, which then was an island continent named Laramidia, around 66 to 68 million years ago."

"LAD WER U DER THO? WER YA LIKE? NAH DIDNT THINK SO, SO YOU KNOW NOTHIN LAD, DO ONE EH?"
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But if you had then you would know if it was 66,67 or 68 million years ago.........

Come on Tubey you're better than this....
 
Seanjd said:
Thatcherist austerity was purely ideological. It had absolutely nothing to do with rebalancing the economy. The very same is happening now.
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Not really - however much one would like to pretend to the contrary, much if not most of British manufacturing went into the 80s in a dire state (thanks to years of mismanagement and some union behaviour that should never have been tolerated) and it was having a severe effect on the economy. What happened in the 80s was ideological but much of it had to happen - though of course as a general rule of thumb as that Tory government got further down the road its decision making usually got worse (like BR being sold off in the way that it was, despite the reforms of the late 70s / early 80s getting it into a position where it was genuinely the best railway in the world).

peteblue said:
Why is one called rebalancing an economy and the other called austerity. Countries, like households, should always be looking to balance the economy. The UK allowed itself to get into too much debt, now we have to find a way to address this......
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That is the thing though, we are not addressing it. For instance, if the Government was genuine about balancing the books then one of the first things it would do is build more council housing (which is vastly cheaper than housing benefit going to private landlords), and renationalise the railways (they now require four times the amount of subsidy that BR did). They would stop the selloff of state assets that bring money into the country. They would ban politicians, ex-politicians and civil servants from working for the same firms that they award contracts to.
 
tsubaki said:
Not really - however much one would like to pretend to the contrary, much if not most of British manufacturing went into the 80s in a dire state (thanks to years of mismanagement and some union behaviour that should never have been tolerated) and it was having a severe effect on the economy. What happened in the 80s was ideological but much of it had to happen - though of course as a general rule of thumb as that Tory government got further down the road its decision making usually got worse (like BR being sold off in the way that it was, despite the reforms of the late 70s / early 80s getting it into a position where it was genuinely the best railway in the world).



That is the thing though, we are not addressing it. For instance, if the Government was genuine about balancing the books then one of the first things it would do is build more council housing (which is vastly cheaper than housing benefit going to private landlords), and renationalise the railways (they now require four times the amount of subsidy that BR did). They would stop the selloff of state assets that bring money into the country. They would ban politicians, ex-politicians and civil servants from working for the same firms that they award contracts to.
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All sensible suggestions. I don't think we're really addressing it either, just playing at it.......
 
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