Summer transfer window.

[N0L1M1TK]

I dunno the urge for people to get rid of Tim, and Alcaraz to a lesser extent. Good squad players.

They are, but in Charley’s case he doesn’t get picked. Think he will go.

It seems clubs will actually pay a half decent fee for Tim, who I think will go because of it.

 

[Miked1e]

I dunno the urge for people to get rid of Tim, and Alcaraz to a lesser extent. Good squad players.

Don’t want rid of them, but Tim and Alcaraz are 2 players which we would get money for and make some profit.

Clearly Moyes does not like Alcaraz for some reason and Tim is in and out of the side.

 

[Miked1e]

So we've already got a small squad and you think were going to make it even smaller by the end of the window?

We need about 8 signings if we get rid of all those players. Not including players we already had this season.

Squad means nothing if you don’t bother using it…. This manager does not bother using it and with likely early exits from both cups and no Europe to consider then having a similar size squad to this season isn’t going to make any difference.

 

[blueboy72]

So we've already got a small squad and you think were going to make it even smaller by the end of the window?

We need about 8 signings if we get rid of all those players. Not including players we already had this season.

I think Ndiaye will go as well.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Imagine we still hear of needing to "balance the books" or "look in a different market" from Moyes or Kinnear.

 

[blueboy72]

Squad means nothing if you don’t bother using it…. This manager does not bother using it and with likely early exits from both cups and no Europe to consider then having a similar size squad to this season isn’t going to make any difference.

He likes working with a small squad which doesn’t work in this day and age, especially when a lot of teams are changing half their outfield players. Think there was a stat, that we conceded something like 7 goals after 75mins in 5 games from Liverpool to Sunderland

 

[ToffeeScot]

I dunno the urge for people to get rid of Tim, and Alcaraz to a lesser extent. Good squad players.

Hackney on paper looks like an improvement on both of those players and midfield is an area where we can still sell them and still have Rohl, Armstrong and potentially Gana as depth behind Garner, KDH and Hackney (assuming he signs). I'd rather get money for squad players then sell our best players like Ndiaye, especially when said squad players either aren't rated by the current manager so barely play (Alcaraz) or they are a mixed bag like Tim.

 

[Bally1989]

Imagine we still hear of needing to "balance the books" or "look in a different market" from Moyes or Kinnear.

Well what was the point of moving should have left us in our true home

 

[Miked1e]

He likes working with a small squad which doesn’t work in this day and age, especially when a lot of teams are changing half their outfield players. Think there was a stat, that we conceded something like 7 goals after 75mins in 5 games from Liverpool to Sunderland

Not surprised…. How many time by 60 mins do we see the players dead on their feet and we still have to wait for 70 mins for Moyes to change Beto/Barry only.

We have good players in there including Rohl, Alcaraz, Armstrong and even dare I say it after his mid season cameos Patterson. None of these got anywhere near as many minutes as they should this past season.

So why do we need a bigger squad right now?

Unless we have real ambitions which under this manager I don’t believe we do then we will continue to plod on and hope to have a season punching above our weight (top 10 maybe).

 

[Mr Happy]

Don’t want rid of them, but Tim and Alcaraz are 2 players which we would get money for and make some profit.

Clearly Moyes does not like Alcaraz for some reason and Tim is in and out of the side.

Agreed to both. But isn't that why we need a squad. If we sell, we'd have to replace and are we getting better players in? Not like our youth system has multiple new cabs off the rank coupled with a manager who doesn't trust youth. FWIW, I'd keep both.

 

[blueboy72]

I dunno the urge for people to get rid of Tim, and Alcaraz to a lesser extent. Good squad players.

Are they good squad players though, Villa didn’t think so and they’re a team on the up. We may as epl keep McNeil as well. You have to sell fringe players that aren’t up to the job, to move forward. If next season, Myko, Keane, Tarkowski , Beto or Barry or both are on the bench then we’ve improved the first 11 and the bench.

You have to move forward. Next season Alcaraz and Tim cost the club probably 10mil in amortisation costs. So as well as make money on the pair. We can use that 10mil, which in theory gets us a 50mil player or two 25mil players on 5yr contracts

 

[Miked1e]

Agreed to both. But isn't that why we need a squad. If we sell, we'd have to replace and are we getting better players in? Not like our youth system has multiple new cabs off the rank coupled with a manager who doesn't trust youth. FWIW, I'd keep both.

I would love us to keep both… I would love to see Alcaraz getting much more game time behind the striker and dropping KDH deeper.

 

[Bluewolf]

I dunno the urge for people to get rid of Tim, and Alcaraz to a lesser extent. Good squad players.

Thing is though that moyes obviously doesn't rate alcaraz and iroegbunam will get sold if a decent offer comes in for him i think.

Personally i dont think iroegbunam is very good and if we can sell him for £20m and bring in hackney for £10-15m then thats a no brainer for me personally.

 

[Bluewolf]

Squad means nothing if you don’t bother using it…. This manager does not bother using it and with likely early exits from both cups and no Europe to consider then having a similar size squad to this season isn’t going to make any difference.

It made a difference this season and its the reason we didn't get Europe.

We didnt have anyone to replace grealish and branthwaite when they got injured.

Then we didnt have anyone to replace KDH and ndiaye when their form dropped.

We need to bring in players to compete for places this summer. Not players that are just going straight on the bench.

The answer is better caliber of players coming in. Not lets make the squad smaller because the manager doesnt use it anyway

 

[Bluewolf]

I think Ndiaye will go as well.

Yeah, his fee will hopefully mean we bring a fast cb,LB and replacement winger in. All with pace