Summer transfer window.

[maccavennie]

For me, this is the crux of it.

After 3 consecutive years of midtable/closer to europe than relegation, I then struggle with the 'more time/more stability' - especially when it means give a manager 2 successive club transfer spend windows who has just had a terrible transfer window (it looks it so far anyway), and last week said 25% of transfers working is success.

He signed/recalled all of these Dibling (19), Aznou (19), Armstrong (18), Rohl (23), Alcaraz (22), George (19) and barely give them a kick - people will say they're just crap or make a myriad of excuses but the reality is, he signed off on them all and hasn't played them, and for what? Out of both cups to newly promoted team or relegated teams and the same amount of wins so far as Dyche's only full season.

The game has moved on, signing here/now players who'll maintain a benchmark for the manager will kill us and totally piss up the opportunity we had, after £500m, he left West Ham with the oldest squad in the league - 4 points above Dyche's Everton.

But that's Moyes, it's his MO - a big spend and 5+ years without starting a teenager at West Ham and even that was a nonsense match.



All that said, results/performance wise, I think Moyes has done what's expected this season - 3 games from messiah, 3 games from disaster - it's not surprising he has bang in the middle of both.

In that image of Dibling, you can see Moyes in the background with his pen and paper thinking "i think wee Dibling isn't up to it, maybe i should make this game 186 where i cannae pick a wee boy in ma side"

 

[BenToffee79]

We need full backs asap fast ones so we can move Obrien into the cb slot as I’ve had it up to here with Keane/Tarkowski, we need full backs to help with our attack we’ve been hamstrung all season from our full backs not getting past the winger offering any overlaps

 

[blueboy72]

Mate - with all respect and good wishes, im so absolutely bored with the circular Moyes debate, there are to many toxic threads im purposely trying to avoid on it.

I get it loads like dont the manager blah, blah, blah, - can we keep this to the players and recruitment, there is a million other threads for the other thing.

Fair enough but you said the bench hasn’t helped, you do realise Moyes controls this

 

[Nymzee]

A lot of doom & gloom in here.

 

[blueboy72]

For me, this is the crux of it.

After 3 consecutive years of midtable/closer to europe than relegation, I then struggle with the 'more time/more stability' - especially when it means give a manager 2 successive club transfer spend windows who has just had a terrible transfer window (it looks it so far anyway), and last week said 25% of transfers working is success.

He signed/recalled all of these Dibling (19), Aznou (19), Armstrong (18), Rohl (23), Alcaraz (22), George (19) and barely give them a kick - people will say they're just crap or make a myriad of excuses but the reality is, he signed off on them all and hasn't played them, and for what? Out of both cups to newly promoted team or relegated teams and the same amount of wins so far as Dyche's only full season.

The game has moved on, signing here/now players who'll maintain a benchmark for the manager will kill us and totally piss up the opportunity we had, after £500m, he left West Ham with the oldest squad in the league - 4 points above Dyche's Everton.

But that's Moyes, it's his MO - a big spend and 5+ years without starting a teenager at West Ham and even that was a nonsense match.



All that said, results/performance wise, I think Moyes has done what's expected this season - 3 games from messiah, 3 games from disaster - it's not surprising he has bang in the middle of both.

Great post

 

[GrandOldTeam]

In that image of Dibling, you can see Moyes in the background with his pen and paper thinking "i think wee Dibling isn't up to it, maybe i should make this game 186 where i cannae pick a wee boy in ma side"

He dragged him off at HT as well - how often does he make a HT sub?

 

[Swartzy]

Last Summer we had hope
This Summer we have fear

 

[Drico]

Actually think you are wrong here mate - think its clear whatever came of the bench havn't helped us see out our most recent results (bar Thierno), in fact probably hindered results over all.

He's the coach. It's his responsibility to get the best out of the players he had the final say on when they signed.

 

[toffeeblue9]

For me, this is the crux of it.

After 3 consecutive years of midtable/closer to europe than relegation, I then struggle with the 'more time/more stability' - especially when it means give a manager 2 successive club transfer spend windows who has just had a terrible transfer window (it looks it so far anyway), and last week said 25% of transfers working is success.

He signed/recalled all of these Dibling (19), Aznou (19), Armstrong (18), Rohl (23), Alcaraz (22), George (19) and barely give them a kick - people will say they're just crap or make a myriad of excuses but the reality is, he signed off on them all and hasn't played them, and for what? Out of both cups to newly promoted team or relegated teams and the same amount of wins so far as Dyche's only full season.

The game has moved on, signing here/now players who'll maintain a benchmark for the manager will kill us and totally piss up the opportunity we had, after £500m, he left West Ham with the oldest squad in the league - 4 points above Dyche's Everton.

But that's Moyes, it's his MO - a big spend and 5+ years without starting a teenager at West Ham and even that was a nonsense match.



All that said, results/performance wise, I think Moyes has done what's expected this season - 3 games from messiah, 3 games from disaster - it's not surprising he has bang in the middle of both.

I don't really disagree with any of this.

This season we are about where most people thought we would/should be. There's been inconsistency, some really good results and some really poor ones. We knew about some of the glaring weaknesses in the team/squad that weren't addressed in the summer and they've not gone away. Equally some of the signings have worked out, one or two haven't and some we've barely seen (the last bit is still my biggest gripe this season).

Next season is the one that makes or breaks it though, for me at least.

If he's given a reasonable amount of money to spend, most people would (I think) be hoping for a European place next season. That's actually quite a task, given your traditional top 6 will presumably get their acts together, then Villa and possibly Newcastle will be there or thereabouts and you have the added problem of the really well-run Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton.

European qualification next season will probably be a fair old ask, but I think it's one we have to be demanding as we need to keep improving.

As disappointing as it is for us to be probably missing out on Europe this season, having been within touching distance, I don't have a problem with finishing 10th - it's about where we should be right now IMO.

Next season, the demands will be bigger and I think we'll need an exceptionally good transfer window if he's going to be able to deliver on those demands.

 

[COYBL25]

A lot of doom & gloom as usual in here.

Fixed.

 

[COYBL25]

I don't really disagree with any of this.

This season we are about where most people thought we would/should be. There's been inconsistency, some really good results and some really poor ones. We knew about some of the glaring weaknesses in the team/squad that weren't addressed in the summer and they've not gone away. Equally some of the signings have worked out, one or two haven't and some we've barely seen (the last bit is still my biggest gripe this season).

Next season is the one that makes or breaks it though, for me at least.

If he's given a reasonable amount of money to spend, most people would (I think) be hoping for a European place next season. That's actually quite a task, given your traditional top 6 will presumably get their acts together, then Villa and possibly Newcastle will be there or thereabouts and you have the added problem of the really well-run Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton.

European qualification next season will probably be a fair old ask, but I think it's one we have to be demanding as we need to keep improving.

As disappointing as it is for us to be probably missing out on Europe this season, having been within touching distance, I don't have a problem with finishing 10th - it's about where we should be right now IMO.

Next season, the demands will be bigger and I think we'll need an exceptionally good transfer window if he's going to be able to deliver on those demands.

He`ll also be massively under the microscope too, as there can be no more " I inherited a mess " excuses anymore. ( I`m pro Moyes by the way )

European qualification of some kind, should be the minimum target.

 

[maccavennie]

He dragged him off at HT as well - how often does he make a HT sub?

I think he's done it 3 times this season with Dibling, Beto and Mcneil (possibly Barry?)

Deffo done it with Dibling, Beto was against the rs away he was subbed at ht. Sure Mcneil has been subbed once as well. But that's it as far as I can remember

 

[Lanolin]

I don’t know about Hackney. Moyes said a while back he’d spoken to Carrick in the summer about a player (can well imagine it was Hackney). We then stumped up £20 million for Merlin, so maybe Carrick didn’t fancy him at Prem level.

Yeah there's clearly something about Hackney that people are unsure on. I've said it before but i'm always wary of players like him who've been knocking round for a while and linked with loads of moves without anyone taking the plunge, it suggests nobody's quite convinced. Obviously doesn't mean he can't come up and be brilliant, but it's never a coincidence when these things happen.

 

[Evo2901]

I don’t know what it is but I’ve got a horrible feeling he’ll spunk absolutely massive money on Jarrod Bowen if Wet Spam go down

 

[Bedfordblue]

We need full backs asap fast ones so we can move Obrien into the cb slot as I’ve had it up to here with Keane/Tarkowski, we need full backs to help with our attack we’ve been hamstrung all season from our full backs not getting past the winger offering any overlaps

Problem with that statement is, I reckon Moyes is quite content with Myko and JOB as our primary fullbacks. I fear any FB’s that are bought this window are likely to be back up’s imo.