Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[maccavennie]

Brands did get us Branthwaite and he has already said that he was not allowed to do his job through interference from Moshiri and Kenwright

There's no doubt Moshiri and Kenwright interfered, but it's easy to say "I couldn't do my job properly" when the parts you could actually do you were pretty crap at.

He wasted millions upon millions upon millions, and overseen huge contracts for players who weren't good enough.

Anyway, I've said my piece about why I'm glad we've moved away from the DoF model and I'll get back on topic as this is the transfer thread.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Brands was a complete and utter disaster, spunked millions upon millions on garbage. Thelwell yes towards the end of his tenure we can look at Beto & Jake doing well....for Moyes. He signed them whilst Dyche was in charge and Dyche didn't use them. So they almost became pointless tools. You need to sign players your manager is actually going to use. Moyes dug him out of a hole by showing that the players should have been playing so that's on Thelwell and Dyche for not being aligned together (which became glaringly more obvious through every transfer window)

He got us some of our best players in years too like Richy, Digne, along with our current top talent Branthwaite.

Dont really agree with your Thelwell argument either. If Thelwell bought players that suited Dyche then this forum would have gone into meltdown. It's not Thelwells fault that Dyche is utterly useless at spotting talent and utilising it correctly.

The club should dictate the style and the manager should follow, it shouldn't be a case of managers with different styles revolving around as you then get into a horrible cycle of continuously having to overhaul the squad.

 

[Zatara]

Bye Jordan

Linked to United by one of the dodgy sites this morning.

 

[Zatara]

He got us some of our best players in years too like Richy, Digne, along with our current top talent Branthwaite.

Dont really agree with your Thelwell argument either. If Thelwell bought players that suited Dyche then this forum would have gone into meltdown. It's not Thelwells fault that Dyche is utterly useless at spotting talent and utilising it correctly.

The club should dictate the style and the manager should follow, it shouldn't be a case of managers with different styles revolving around as you then get into a horrible cycle of continuously having to overhaul the squad.

Yes, this is why the DOF is meant to sign players for the manager THEY appoint.

Now we have Moyes...frightening.

 

[ToffeeScot]

Yes, this is why the DOF is meant to sign players for the manager THEY appoint.

Now we have Moyes...frightening.

I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes had an agreement to go into the backroom staff once he finishes his contract which is why we are perhaps letting him have a say in things. Though we have moved from a DoF we still have a backroom structure in place that's data and scouting driven, so though it isn't a one man job so to speak, it's still a model of similar ilk.

 

[Mr Happy]

Alan Nixon saying we fancy Michael Cooper from Sheff Utd, can’t imagine he’ll want to leave them to be our backup GK though

Great openside flanker in his day. Didn't realised he'd started playing football.

Edit: (Misread that as Hooper. Not Cooper!! FFS!!)

 

[maccavennie]

He got us some of our best players in years too like Richy, Digne, along with our current top talent Branthwaite.

Dont really agree with your Thelwell argument either. If Thelwell bought players that suited Dyche then this forum would have gone into meltdown. It's not Thelwells fault that Dyche is utterly useless at spotting talent and utilising it correctly.

The club should dictate the style and the manager should follow, it shouldn't be a case of managers with different styles revolving around as you then get into a horrible cycle of continuously having to overhaul the squad.

And how did that work out for us under Walsh, Brands and Thelwell?

If your DoF isn't aligned with your manager, your recruitment ends up all wrong, in turn you end up with poor signings, the club under performs then it doesn't matter what you want your style to be, you end up needing a fire fighter manager like Allardyce and Dyche.

Walsh overseeing 3-4 number 10 signings
Brands leaving Silva short of a centre half and centre mid and thinking "yeah I'll sigh Delph as he has a great track record of fitness"

I could go on and on and on and on and on. But I don't want to and I'll be derailing the thread. I've got no problem with people who think they done a great job in trying circumstances. Just my opinion that they fell waaaaaaaaaaay below what I would deem as acceptable.

 

[ToffeeScot]

And how did that work out for us under Walsh, Brands and Thelwell?

If your DoF isn't aligned with your manager, your recruitment ends up all wrong, in turn you end up with poor signings, the club under performs then it doesn't matter what you want your style to be, you end up needing a fire fighter manager like Allardyce and Dyche.

Walsh overseeing 3-4 number 10 signings
Brands leaving Silva short of a centre half and centre mid and thinking "yeah I'll sigh Delph as he has a great track record of fitness"

I could go on and on and on and on and on. But I don't want to and I'll be derailing the thread. I've got no problem with people who think they done a great job in trying circumstances. Just my opinion that they fell waaaaaaaaaaay below what I would deem as acceptable.

As I said, it didn't help that we also had an interfering owner that didn't allow the DoF do the complete job. If you have one hiccup in the chain then you're going to create problems. They made mistakes, they did poorly at times, but they also did good things and we have some positives in the squad now from the Thelwell tenure. We may not have one sole DoF now but the structure we have put in place is supposed to do essentially the same job as they would have done without interference too so it's not like we have completely jumped from DoF to nothing.

If the club isn't completely aligned and has people going off doing their own thing then it doesn't matter if you have a DoF or not, you'll fail.

 

[Zatara]

I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes had an agreement to go into the backroom staff once he finishes his contract which is why we are perhaps letting him have a say in things. Though we have moved from a DoF we still have a backroom structure in place that's data and scouting driven, so though it isn't a one man job so to speak, it's still a model of similar ilk.

I'm just concerned about his recruitment record since leaving. It's absolutely monstrous and extremely short term.

We have to hope he has got a backroom role lined up because i dread to think of him signing short-term stopgaps.

 

[Librarian]

Linked to United by one of the dodgy sites this morning.

Ah well, looks like we’ll all be wearing inflatable dinosaur costumes to Old Trafford next season

 

[ToffeeScot]

I'm just concerned about his recruitment record since leaving. It's absolutely monstrous and extremely short term.

We have to hope he has got a backroom role lined up because i dread to think of him signing short-term stopgaps.

I'm hoping what was said about data driven recruitment is true as it's what the best clubs in the market have been doing like Brentford and Brighton for a while. The signings we have been linked with would suggest it is.

 

[Librarian]

I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes had an agreement to go into the backroom staff once he finishes his contract which is why we are perhaps letting him have a say in things. Though we have moved from a DoF we still have a backroom structure in place that's data and scouting driven, so though it isn't a one man job so to speak, it's still a model of similar ilk.

thinking the same

 

[CielosGrises]

Seems kind of bonkers that a DOF dictating to a manager / coach how the team should play football, or what makes a good player - but I guess that is the corporate world we live in.

Trying to imagine a suit trying to tell Ferguson, Wenger, Guardiola, Ancelotti what makes a good footballer and how to win a given match.

I can see how they might be the football representative on the board and take that fluff away from the coach - and I can see how they would be involved in choosing a manager in the first place. From then on you'd hope they work to support the manager and try and align it with long term club strategy / squad health.

 

[Makis]

Brands did get us Branthwaite and he has already said that he was not allowed to do his job through interference from Moshiri and Kenwright

He also got us Digne, Mina and Richarlison.

 

[davids]

We'll do well to get him, listening to a local Valenciano radio report this morning other bigger fish with CL to offer are interested too.