Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[Blue peter]

Not sure what people’s general expectations are re transfer successes. I would imagine that a professional’s view e.g. DoFs, Managers, Coaches of a successful transfer window looks a lot different (more practical) to a supporters ‘perfect world view’.

We can talk individually about his signings but together they made up a team rhat was constantly in the top 10 and qualified for Europe winning the minor trophy of the three. All of the signings suggest to me they were brought in to compliment each other and of course some will be flops. Aside from that we don’t know how many of them were Moyes or the DoF. This is similar with most clubs.

As for West Ham they have an utter cheek criticising him when he did the best out of any manager really since possibly the seventies or eighties (other than a season under Billic when I think they finished 5th). They have had this supercharged view of themselves ever since they moved to that jarg stadium for free, and thought they could monetise their brand by bigging up their location, by placing the word ‘London’ it on their jerseys. This is a club that has never won a top flight title.

 

[MACCA75]

We were chaotic last season and they only achieved 4 points more than us.

Wheels come right off for them - from December they were 17th for form/results.

Bowen/Kudus aside - they're a bottom half team. An aging side. Id have had them 12th-17th this season.

After spending a lot of money, too.

They're 17th now.

Factor in a shocking appointment in Potter and thats what I mean by on their arse.

Sorry I was looking at the actual table, not the table from whatever arbitrary point in time you were drawing from.

I think most teams go off the boil when they know the manager is leaving anyway. Even happened to Liverpool at the end.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Sorry I was looking at the actual table, not the table from whatever arbitrary point in time you were drawing from.

I think most teams go off the boil when they know the manager is leaving anyway. Even happened to Liverpool.

You do that.

They're 17th bud.

On their arse.

The context of which was saying they perhaps wouldn't be, if they'd spent better.

Than, well, this.

 

[MACCA75]

You do that.

They're 17th bud.

On their arse.

The context of which was saying they perhaps wouldn't be, if they'd spent better.

Than, well, this.

They are 17th but not under Moyes. He’d have them much higher, as indeed he did.

 

[Blue peter]

You do that.

They're 17th bud.

On their arse.

The context of which was saying they perhaps wouldn't be, if they'd spent better.

Than, well, this.

Could be more about the manager they have employed than the players afterall we saw generally what happened with our team once Dyche left.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

They are 17th but not under Moyes. He’d have them much higher, as indeed he did.

Not sure he'd have them much higher.

As I said, for whatever reason - they'd really declined since December.

A lot of that is probably because they knew he was off... Managers on borrowed time/interim isn't ideal.

Could be more about the manager they have employed than the players afterall we saw generally what happened with our team once Dyche left.

Threads about transfers and my point is theres probably 3 players I take from West Hams starting 11 this summer who'd id sign to start for us. And we're crap.

I don't rate Potter at all, but him and Lopetegui aren't getting much out of that squad.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

We were chaotic last season and they only achieved 4 points more than us.

Wheels come right off for them - from December they were 17th for form/results.

Bowen/Kudus aside - they're a bottom half team. An aging side. Id have had them 12th-17th this season.

After spending a lot of money, too.

They're 17th now.

Factor in a shocking appointment in Potter and thats what I mean by on their arse.

To be fair this current Wet Spam team has a few Lopetegui & Stiegan signings.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

To be fair this current Wet Spam team has a few Lopetegui & Stiegan signings.

Don't think they sold many really anyone from Moyes squad though. Benrahma?

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Don't think they sold many rally anyone from Moyes squad though. Benrahma?

That's fair but I think its slightly harsh to pin their current predicament on Moyesy especially considering he's 2 managers removed.

I see both sides of the argument but I also think this is why our summer window for good or ill will be fascinating.

 

[kenada_blue]

He plays for Ipswich now, they bought him and his clause is 30million if relegated

Thought he was on loan pal.

 

[Swagger]

Well, my point was simple. This;



... You then waded in, claiming 80% of his transfers at West Ham improve us, and acting as though we've been operating in a similar capacity the past 5 years on expenditure. I disagree, significantly, with both of your points.

To conclude my point then - I don't think David Moyes bought well with £500m worth of expenditure at West Ham;

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From the top 20, at those fees - I'd take Bowen, and Kudus. I can see why Thelwell really wanted Kudus, but we couldn't get him on loan because Man Utd signed Antony. If we had been able to spend, he'd be here now. As would Minteh, and plenty of others who are much better than that list at West Ham.

So no,, I wouldn't want our next 5 years to replicate West Ham's last 5. Absolutely not.

We shouldn't be benchmarking Everton on the last 5 years of Everton, either.

Soucek and Coufel have been brilliant signings for the money spent.

Kudus and Bowen have developed into Champions League calibre players, Paqueta as well.

Benrama was ok - apparently Moyes wanted Eze and Watkins but the powers that be went with Benrama instead.

Cornet suffered injuries and never found is Burnley form. Zouma was excellent for Everton and started off well for West Ham until knee injuries derailed his career. The medical team could be questioned for those signings.

Ings was an awful signing but apparently this was a chairman signing.

Vlasic was a terrible signing that's on Moyes.

The likes of Scamacca, Mavropanus, Aguerd and Alvarez were bought by Director of Football who has subsequently been sacked.

Moyes wanted Maguire (he would have been an excellent signing in their low block) but they bought Mavropanus and he wanted McTominy/Gallagher for their athleticism. They bought Ward-Prowse and Alvarez instead.

He also brought in Dawson for a nominal fee and he did a fantastic job for them.

Some poor signings in there for sure and Moyes is partly to blame but by not backing him they missed out on Eze (from QPR) and Watkins (from Brentford) who would have nicely complemented Bowen all from the Championship.

 

[Aries]

I still prefer a DOF model than allowing a current manager to be in charge of transfers. Moyes has admitted himself he won’t be here long term, he’s signed a two and a half year deal and his aim is to hand the club over to someone else with the club in a much better position. To me at least, it seems absolutely bonkers to let a short term manager do all the recruitment and then leave all his players to a new man in a couple of years time.

 

[Swagger]

I still prefer a DOF model than allowing a current manager to be in charge of transfers. Moyes has admitted himself he won’t be here long term, he’s signed a two and a half year deal and his aim is to hand the club over to someone else with the club in a much better position. To me at least, it seems absolutely bonkers to let a short term manager do all the recruitment and then leave all his players to a new man in a couple of years time.

Agree.

I would like Moyes working in tandem with a DOF. Problem is that it obviously didn't work at West Ham!

 

[West Side Charlie]

Are we back in For Evan Ferguson?

 

[Aries]

They are 17th but not under Moyes. He’d have them much higher, as indeed he did.

He would yes, because he’s a good football manager. Don’t think anyone is saying otherwise. That doesn’t mean his recruitment has been good. Look at the improvement he’s made here in a short space of time with what people have described as a poor squad. The issue is recruitment. If that money at West Ham had been spent far better, what would he have achieved? Getting the most out of an average squad doesn’t excuse wasting hundreds of millions on average players.