Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[GrandOldTeam]

Thats not the reason you posted the graph though mate - the graph you posted just highlighted activity - if you really wanted you could show that the increased WHU activity - pro rata was probably the same as ours pound for unit.

Yes i definitely do think 80% of that list - in fact probably more get games here. 100%, I've no reason to retract the comment, you are just repeating it. Demari Gray and Maupay up front and Danjuma out on the wing, we aren't turning our nose up at the players on that list - yet the difference is £160 mill in expenditure. My question was £ for £ who got the better value for the investment/expenditure and without question its WHU.

So if you dont want to replicate WHU last five years - what is your Expectation?

Baseline ive presented how they finished higher in the PL, earned Euro Football, Won a Trophy, Turned over £250 mill a year and generated 500 mill to spend on their squad in turn having a squad of sellable assets? I dont think there are many Blues turning their nose up at that if im being honest with you.

I dont think you really from this point in the next five years - that our expectation realistically should be higher then that?

Frankly, I'm astonished anyone can look at the list of players there and think that's a good effort, or that 80% would improve us.

There's 2 centre Half's there for £70m+ who wouldn't get in our squad.

You keep going back to Evertons recruitment the past few years and making comparisons, neglecting the context of our position. Having to sell/make profit every window. Having to sign players for £0 or £0 upfront. We've not had the luxury West Ham have had.

Forgetting any attempt at comparison - just looking at West Hams signings the last 5 years is enough.

There's a reason they're on their arse at the moment, and have been for a couple of seasons now.

 

[ForeverEverton]

I see Roony Bardghji is available on a free, still 19 and was highly rated and clearly has some talent. If Moyes could get a tune from him he`d be very valuable and probably not on big wages at Copenhagen...

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Well, my point was simple. This;



... You then waded in, claiming 80% of his transfers at West Ham improve us, and acting as though we've been operating in a similar capacity the past 5 years on expenditure. I disagree, significantly, with both of your points.

To conclude my point then - I don't think David Moyes bought well with £500m worth of expenditure at West Ham;

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From the top 20, at those fees - I'd take Bowen, and Kudus. I can see why Thelwell really wanted Kudus, but we couldn't get him on loan because Man Utd signed Antony. If we had been able to spend, he'd be here now. As would Minteh, and plenty of others who are much better than that list at West Ham.

So no,, I wouldn't want our next 5 years to replicate West Ham's last 5. Absolutely not.

We shouldn't be benchmarking Everton on the last 5 years of Everton, either.

As I've said consistently on here, Moyes has wasted a horrible amount of money at West Ham on utter dross. That list of signings is pretty horrific (particularly for the sums involved).

A transfer guru he ain't.

 

[blueblue]

Well, my point was simple. This;



... You then waded in, claiming 80% of his transfers at West Ham improve us, and acting as though we've been operating in a similar capacity the past 5 years on expenditure. I disagree, significantly, with both of your points.

To conclude my point then - I don't think David Moyes bought well with £500m worth of expenditure at West Ham;

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From the top 20, at those fees - I'd take Bowen, and Kudus. I can see why Thelwell really wanted Kudus, but we couldn't get him on loan because Man Utd signed Antony. If we had been able to spend, he'd be here now. As would Minteh, and plenty of others who are much better than that list at West Ham.

So no,, I wouldn't want our next 5 years to replicate West Ham's last 5. Absolutely not.

We shouldn't be benchmarking Everton on the last 5 years of Everton, either.

When you add Kudus and Minteh to the players KT brought to Everton on a shoestring budget it highlights for me how well he did and maybe how well he could do with a proper budget.

I regret that he has left.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

As I've said consistently on here, Moyes has wasted a horrible amount of money at West Ham on utter dross. That list of signings is pretty horrific (particularly for the sums involved).

A transfer guru he ain't.

I think a lot, like myself, used to look at West Ham and think Bowen, Paqueta, Kudus etc. Good team, well recruited.

But then you listen to their fans (why did so many seem to have an issue with Moyes?), and scratch beyond a few decent attacking players, look deeper and it's what you say - a hell of a lot of waste there.

Honestly they have 2 players I'd be happy to pay what they did to sign now and that's Bowen and Kudus. But even Kudus, I like him but £45m or whatever it was is a lot, and he's scored 3 goals this season. He can be a bit of a luxury player.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

When you add Kudus and Minteh to the players KT brought to Everton on a shoestring budget it highlights for me how well he did and maybe how well he could do with a proper budget.

I regret that he has left.

The likes of Gyokeres and Elanga too.

I hope it's not a bit baby/bathwater. Often shared my view on Thelwell;

The way I see it, he's had to make a profit in every window, sell before buying.

The buying has often been from a shortlist of being available for £0 upfront.

Other than Leicester, we've spent (not even net, just actual spend) the lowest in the league since he arrived. Leeds have been in the championship 2 years and have spent more in the last 3 years than us.

People bang on about Beto, but forget we only had Calvert-Lewin and started a season without scoring a goal in 3 games and the window was 2 days from closing and we had literally, £0 upfront.

Gyokeres, Kudus, Minteh, Elanga, Gnonto - all we've wanted but had £0 to spend upfront or had to have other players leave as part of a deal.

I've no idea whether Thelwell is any good. Can only judge him on what he's done here, and there's a massive asterisk against that given he joined a club that was a circus.

If I was TFG, I'd have kept him.

 

[brieverton]

Pretty horrendous list of WHU signings there imo. I guess Moyes will attribute some of those to the DoF.

He was very good with transfers in his first spell here and I have some but not unlimited confidence that he can spend wisely in the summer. The game has changed in the intervening years though

My concern is the structure that's unfolding, or so far, the lack thereof. It seems all on Moyes. He must have a list of 30 or 40 possible signings now - where he gets the time to do that and whose opinion(s) is he relying on other than his own? They will hardly be taking Thelwells input either and if they did, he should be staying on.

 

[mikel_88]

Centre mid is massive we need a starter alongside gana imo, garner not good enough and Tim not ready to start, also garner has a clause in his contract,
Not sure how that works, but If a team agrees the price, can they talk to him
And his agent ? And he may fancy a move .

Also Moyes see’s ndiaye as a left winger and as things stand we won’t be signing Alcaraz on an Obligation . I’d rather keep O’Brien and Myko as full back. And spend at the top end off the pitch. Maybe we keep young and Patterson and loan a left footed CB who can play left back to cover 2 positions next season

Disagree massively fb is imortant as is a massive part of the modern game and with two defensive fb myko and obrien who is a cb. Would help take the pressure off the wingers having more attacking fb.

 

[Billy Dean]

Check out DM's signings at WHU. They were mostly crap especially the centre forwards. He hit the jackpot with Bowden but that was almost it other than that winger from Holland and they were some very expensive cock-ups.
i hope its a committee decision rather than DM alone.

I think it's encouraging they've hired this Hammond fella who has never worked with Moyes before.

A: We know Moyes very rarely liked to make signings such as a Bale...or currently, Chris Rigg. This is one of the reasons his teams would never break the glass ceiling.

B: It was rumoured (some say as fact) that Irvine made the decisions (narrowed down the scout reports?) on attacking players with Moyes focused on defenders.

C: At United he dithered so much they paid over Fellainis release clause, that he would have known about. United, Sunderland, Sociedad and West Ham all look like a world war 1 trench -- littered with casualties of his transfer policies.

The current 3 links of Rigg, Delap and Doak look perfect for the squad. If the links are fake then perhaps the journalist lying about them should be in charge of Evertons transfers as he seems to know the exact type we need.

Moyes has to go for the unknown Bale's -- just as Thelwell did with the youth teams last summer.

Moyes didn't actually want Baines and Pienaar and had to be convinced by Irvine to sign them.

 

[blueboy72]

I think it's encouraging they've hired this Hammond fella who has never worked with Moyes before.

Moyes didn't actually want Baines and Pienaar and had to be convinced by Irvine to sign them.

This Newman fella who was at West Ham with Moyes and his name was linked with Everton a few weeks ago. Not sure of him and Hammond do the same job, but interesting that Hammond was worked with kinnear and the Newman link has gone quiet. Does that say TFG want kinnear to have a lot of control

 

[GoldenToffee]

I see Roony Bardghji is available on a free, still 19 and was highly rated and clearly has some talent. If Moyes could get a tune from him he`d be very valuable and probably not on big wages at Copenhagen...

Roony, Roony, Roony!

 

[blueboy72]

Disagree massively fb is imortant as is a massive part of the modern game and with two defensive fb myko and obrien who is a cb. Would help take the pressure off the wingers having more attacking fb.

I agree long term but, with maybe not being able to do everything in one summer, I’d rather fix the biggest issues, which is the attacking 3rd. Would you rather spend 25mil on a right winger or 15 and 10 on a full back

 

[ForeverEverton]

Disagree massively fb is imortant as is a massive part of the modern game and with two defensive fb myko and obrien who is a cb. Would help take the pressure off the wingers having more attacking fb.

With Keane leaving we will be left with Tarkowski, Branthwaite and O`Brien as the CB options, I like Esteve who is a left footer who is rumoured to interest us from Burnley. I think that 4 is quite strong, I`d also look at phasing Tarky out next season with O`Brien replacing him, don`t forget Tarky will be 33/34 on a £100k per week contract which expires at the end of next season.

As you allude to there FBs have become an important part of the modern game, when our full backs play well the team do aswell, all too often. The Notts Forest game was an example of that...

Patterson and Mykolenko will be OK as back up to the 1st choice FBs and I think we need FBs that have more about them.

RB 1- 2-Patterson
RCBs 1-Tarkowski 2-O`Brien
LCBs 1-Branthwaite 2-Esteve or AN Other
LB 1- 2-Mykolenko

It`ll be interesting how the summer goes but don`t think our signings will come before 1st July and the start of the next accounting period.

 

[mikel_88]

I agree long term but, with maybe not being able to do everything in one summer, I’d rather fix the biggest issues, which is the attacking 3rd. Would you rather spend 25mil on a right winger or 15 and 10 on a full back

Think can do both is kwp on a free and cirkin i think at sunderland the club have looked at for lb. I do get what your saying right wing has to come first, might even get another loan for out wide aswell need atleast two wingers for me

 

[blueboy72]

With Keane leaving we will be left with Tarkowski, Branthwaite and O`Brien as the CB options, I like Esteve who is a left footer who is rumoured to interest us from Burnley. I think that 4 is quite strong, I`d also look at phasing Tarky out next season with O`Brien replacing him, don`t forget Tarky will be 33/34 on a £100k per week contract which expires at the end of next season.

As you allude to there FBs have become an important part of the modern game, when our full backs play well the team do aswell, all too often. The Notts Forest game was an example of that...

Patterson and Mykolenko will be OK as back up to the 1st choice FBs and I think we need FBs that have more about them.

RB 1- 2-Patterson
RCBs 1-Tarkowski 2-O`Brien
LCBs 1-Branthwaite 2-Esteve or AN Other
LB 1- 2-Mykolenko

It`ll be interesting how the summer goes but don`t think our signings will come before 1st July and the start of the next accounting period.

Problem is going to get someone to come in as 4th choice I doubt the lad from Burnley or any young CB who’s been playing regularly, will go for that