Summer rebuild

[brieverton]

Whatever is spent will probably be less than what the majority imagine.

Thelwell has said it will be conservative whilst Moyes has said this is a club that needs to be built up. I took that to mean steady development rather than a big initial outlay.

I simply can't envisage an outlay in the 100's of millions. It's a bit sobering to think that Chelsea spent £100 million in the summer of 2003, which is 22 years ago, a generation.

The big challenge is in deciding how to spread the total budget over the number of players they seem necessary to bring in.

We spent £35m on Onana a few years back - I'd assume we might be able to replicate that type of fee or thereabouts for 2 or 3 players with any padding done with cheaper global signings, loans, and frees.

Ideally we need to be finding players before they are worth £30m and pick them up for half that and less. That's where the margins need to be far better for us if we have to sell a couple of years down the line.

 

[vintage-toffees]

Ya know what I’m calm for the summer
Moyes had his misses last time round but found a few legends on a budget

I trust him to spend whatever it will be wisely
Won’t be slapdash they will improve the squad 100%

 

[Lapeno77]

Definitely need to address the right hand side.

Can't be going with the current RB, RW options again

 

[bluestevon]

Forgive my nit picking if it indeed is. Have we ever signed 6 first teamers in one hit? I'll be amazed if we get in 3 and integrate them all into the side in the same window.

A capable with the ball LB and a strong quick RW might be the priorities. Maybe Lindstrom comes good, maybe McNeil takes the LW slot and Ndiaye goes RW. If Cal-Lewin goes, we've only Beto, so another striker of sorts is priority. We've a few gaps to try to cover, and we'll be a patch work side no matter what. McNeil, Mangala, Chermiti, Cal-Lewin, Broja, Coleman all long term injured.

Be shocked if we had more than three new players in the starting 11 come next season's opener. By season's end yeah we may have more, but that'll be because they win the spot over the season.

 

[Billy Dean]

Scouting has changed dramatically over the past decade. Every top club knows about every good player and have access to clips and in-depth stats (stuff we punters don't get). To find a left-back who is under 24, has at least 50 senior starts and has a certain profile (key passes, interceptions, whatever) is just a few clicks away.

What they can't find from these tools as easily are intangible stuff. What's his attitude like? In general, towards his teammates, in adversity? Does he sulk or cheer others on? How does he react when he loses the ball, receives a bad tackle, miscontrols the ball? What does he look like in the warm-up? Does he look professional or only doing it because it's required? Plus of course while you can see what percentage of passes are good, to get the full picture you need to watch whole matches. Where, how and why does he give a poor pass?

After this we get to the stuff clubs like Brighton I believe do best: they spot players who are not as obviously good from stats but who they think can be improved and who fit their style. This is their moneyball and where the real difference can be made. One of the best signings like this that Everton has ever made was Arteta. Gifted, but not really making an impact anywhere. Sometimes player is pigeonholed into the wrong role. Spotting these requires skill.

That's why teams scout players live as well as look at their data

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Out of the loanees, think it’s fair to say Alcaraz is being signed if he carries on as he’s started, early days mind.

Lindstrom; there’s a player in there for me, it’s been a while since I’ve seen a player need a goal so badly. Can cover the front 3 positions and I think Moyes can make a proper Everton player out of him, think he’s been good since DM arrived. Would be trying to get him for cheaper than the agreed fee though, maybe around £10m-£12m.

Harrison; not for me. For the wages he costs and the output he provides, I believe we can do a lot better. Leeds would also probably want £20m which he isn’t worth.

Mangala; massive shame as he was very solid for us, but I wouldn’t be looking to sign him after that long-term injury.

Broja; done absolutely nothing in the past 3 years to suggest he’s worth £30m, which Chelsea seem to want for him. Don’t think his body is up to premier league footy. Thelwell follows his targets, but he followed this one for too long.

The OOC lads, I think we’ll see one or two kept on who we’d rather not. I’d be shaking Doucoure’s hand and thanking him for the Bournemouth goal among others, but I suspect he’ll be kept on on huge wages. Keane should get nowhere near a new deal. DCL remains to be seen but I’d keep him on if the deal is right.

 

[John O'Kane]

I can’t see them keeping any of the out of contract players on. There’s very little benefit to it, even if Moyes does seem to like Doucoure.

The owners will want to run the club as a business. And as has been outlined before, this model will involve developing younger talent with an eye to sell on, and slowly improve with time. We might have an initial big spend this summer, but I don’t think there will be any retaining of players over 30 on big wages. It doesn’t make any financial sense to invest in an asset that loses value.

You can also look at the complete lack of talk on any official channels even mentioning extending deals this summer, to get an idea what they might be thinking.

 

[Zatara]

Gana is huge for the young midfield players so he gets another year if he wants it. To be still playing at the level he is hints at brilliant preparation and professionalism.

Don't forget Baines is now with the first team every single day of the week and thankfully Seamus has reverted to mainly a coaching role (nailed on he'll announce his retirement a few days before Southampton) so you've got those two to spell it out to the new recruits what it means to play for this club on a daily basis.

Agreed. Gana has seemed to play better with age. Tarkowski as well bar the odd recent blip gives us experience.

I was at the Real Betis Vs Real Sociedad match last night and they had a young lad playing left side of a front three but regularly switching to the right called Jesus Rodriguez Caraballo who looked absolutely fantastic. Two good feet, quick , fearless. He sometimes held on to the ball too long and gassed out a bit in the second half but he's only 19. There are definitely top quality youngsters out there if you have the right scouting network. I'm sending my report to Big Kev shortly!

You should do mate. If we ended up signing him then imagine your claim to fame.

I get that but I was just pointing out to the original post who said he trust Moyes more to make things right inferring they don't trust Thelwell but then named the core of a young team who were pretty much all Thelwell signings.

Precisely. People who love certain players seem to forget he signed them. Not to mention the financial wizardry in getting the deals over the line.

He's definitely generated high upside on his overall transfer dealings.

 

[Zatara]

Whatever is spent will probably be less than what the majority imagine.

Thelwell has said it will be conservative whilst Moyes has said this is a club that needs to be built up. I took that to mean steady development rather than a big initial outlay.

I simply can't envisage an outlay in the 100's of millions. It's a bit sobering to think that Chelsea spent £100 million in the summer of 2003, which is 22 years ago, a generation.

The big challenge is in deciding how to spread the total budget over the number of players they seem necessary to bring in.

We spent £35m on Onana a few years back - I'd assume we might be able to replicate that type of fee or thereabouts for 2 or 3 players with any padding done with cheaper global signings, loans, and frees.

Ideally we need to be finding players before they are worth £30m and pick them up for half that and less. That's where the margins need to be far better for us if we have to sell a couple of years down the line.

The 'snag' is that if we sign players 'before their breakthrough' season, they may not be good enough and weve not been in a position to really take much risk on permanent signings.

It may well be that now we target both cheaper punts and more expensive players.

Be shocked if we had more than three new players in the starting 11 come next season's opener. By season's end yeah we may have more, but that'll be because they win the spot over the season.

In which 3 positions?

I can’t see them keeping any of the out of contract players on. There’s very little benefit to it, even if Moyes does seem to like Doucoure.

The owners will want to run the club as a business. And as has been outlined before, this model will involve developing younger talent with an eye to sell on, and slowly improve with time. We might have an initial big spend this summer, but I don’t think there will be any retaining of players over 30 on big wages. It doesn’t make any financial sense to invest in an asset that loses value.

You can also look at the complete lack of talk on any official channels even mentioning extending deals this summer, to get an idea what they might be thinking.

Would be a surprise to not see Gana stay on. Wouldnt be shocked if he moved to Saudi for the money, but i'd like to think he may stay on to help bring the younger players on.

 

[Toffeepot]

Exciting times Toffees

 

[roy vernon]

Forgive my nit picking if it indeed is. Have we ever signed 6 first teamers in one hit? I'll be amazed if we get in 3 and integrate them all into the side in the same window.

A capable with the ball LB and a strong quick RW might be the priorities. Maybe Lindstrom comes good, maybe McNeil takes the LW slot and Ndiaye goes RW. If Cal-Lewin goes, we've only Beto, so another striker of sorts is priority. We've a few gaps to try to cover, and we'll be a patch work side no matter what. McNeil, Mangala, Chermiti, Cal-Lewin, Broja, Coleman all long term injured.

We signed 5 permanent and Jeffers on loan in 2003.

 

[Evermaarton]

I would love us two bring in one or two young central midfielders. Those 2 positions are basically the engine of every team and it would be so nice if we get some extra quality on the ball there. Give Gana a year extension and he would be an ideal mentor for them. Quinten Timber (Feyenoord captain) might be a good option. He is by far their best player, excellent workrate and distribution and the fee probably wont be stellar. And as an Ajax fan it's difficult to say this about a Feyenoord player

We definately need a new striker. Beto is doing excellent at the moment but he lacks quality to be our main striker if we want to move up in the world. Good strikers cost a shitload of money though. Considering we also very much need a right winger and some coverage for both the fullback positions, maybe it wont be a bad idea to try to fill the striker slot with a loan-option.

 

[N0L1M1TK]

I’d sign Mangala on another seasons loan if that was at all possible. Seems to be big in with a lot of the current team.

Think he was showing some really good signs prior to his injury.

Obviously a loan allows us to look at him after the injury, perhaps with a lower buy clause than current..

He was a solid squad addition, definitely think Moyes would get more out of him too.

 

[Nymzee]

I would love us two bring in one or two young central midfielders. Those 2 positions are basically the engine of every team and it would be so nice if we get some extra quality on the ball there. Give Gana a year extension and he would be an ideal mentor for them. Quinten Timber (Feyenoord captain) might be a good option. He is by far their best player, excellent workrate and distribution and the fee probably wont be stellar. And as an Ajax fan it's difficult to say this about a Feyenoord player

We definately need a new striker. Beto is doing excellent at the moment but he lacks quality to be our main striker if we want to move up in the world. Good strikers cost a shitload of money though. Considering we also very much need a right winger and some coverage for both the fullback positions, maybe it wont be a bad idea to try to fill the striker slot with a loan-option.

We already have them.

 

[Llyrap]

As it stands we have 11 contracted outfield players next season.

Extend 2-3 at most. Ghana, Doucoure

Promote possibly Dixon and Armstrong although they probably need loans.

Hard to see how we can go into next season without signing 7 playes inclusive of Lindstrom and Alcaraz.

If DCL extends doubt we’ll spend on a CF.

Attacking fullbacks a priority.