Summer rebuild

How many players and what type of spend do you think

  • 12+

    Votes: 15 2.5%

  • 9-11

    Votes: 54 8.9%

  • 6-8

    Votes: 299 49.5%

  • 3-5

    Votes: 169 28.0%

  • We go with what we've got

    Votes: 12 2.0%

  • Way too big a squad let's sell everyone and play the tea lady

    Votes: 6 1.0%

  • 200m plus spend

    Votes: 21 3.5%

  • 150-200m

    Votes: 69 11.4%

  • 100-150m

    Votes: 166 27.5%

  • 70-100m

    Votes: 127 21.0%

  • 30-70m

    Votes: 52 8.6%

  • Let's sell Branthwaite and everyone gets a free pie and pint every home game to throw at Keane

    Votes: 14 2.3%
  • Total voters
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West Side Charlie said:
I hope they don't go for numbers, it never works bringing in loads at once.
Would rather see quality players than a load of duds.
We have the new stadium as an attraction and hopefully a plan to challenge.
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January is a good example of that. I’d rather spend wisely and deliberately on one Alcaraz instead of a couple players that don’t pan out and are tough to sell.
 
Nymzee said:
Squad is going to be THIN come summer but we have some decent pieces to build around.
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What I like is there's a nice core of 22-23 year olds bubbling if Alcaraz is signed full time.

O'Brien
Branthy
Tim
Alcaraz
Ndiaye

That is pretty promising then you have Garner and McNeill who are a year or two older and very experienced in the prem now.

The key is to replace the OOCs like Young, Keane, Holgate, Doucs and DCL with much better quality than many of them have shown in last three years. I trust Moyes far more to get that right than if Dyche was doing the transfers with Thelwell.
 
lieneverton said:
Realistically as well, I think there may be a couple of players kept on who in an ideal world we probably wouldn't want to. Hopefully though on reasonable terms, and not long term obviously.

Maybe I'm doing a Moyes by tempering expectations (!!) somewhat, I'm genuinely excited to see what happens but I don't think it'll be a full scale revolution.
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I have no issue at all with Gana staying on. His performances levels are still very consistent although I would expect in 12 months time he'll be rotated far more and a younger DM as the starter.

He's the one I want to keep, wouldn't really understand it if Doucs and Young get new deals as I think that's too charitable for the new era.
 
Simon Buttle said:
The only concern for me would be this suggestion that we are looking at British based players, whether that's the Championship or the PL its literally the most expensive market we can shop in. The likes of Huijsen, Kerkez, Kluivert and Semenyo were all under £20m signings, Milenkovic and Murillo less than £15m. There are players out there, we just have to go and look for them, we don't need to be spending massive fee's imo.
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Semenyo’s whole professional football career has been entirely British based.
 
I am a fan of using the loan market to it's fullest. Low cost. Get to assess them in our setup before we stump up serious cash.
Obviously with an option to buy is best. I hope they max out the available loans, leaving more money, therefore fewer and better quality on players that we buy.
From this year, I would not be rushing to buy Lindstrom or Harrison, but if Moyes thinks he can develop Lindstrom I trust him because he has the track record.
Alcaraz has made a promising start, but it's way to early to say if he represents value for money. Mangala formed a very good partnership with Gana, but serious injury and other options being available- no thanks. Broja is a no unless he comes back and amazes before the end of the season. File as unlikely.
 
It's great that everything is falling beautifully into place. Now the club is fully in control of whether Alcaraz stays or goes, and can start making moves on players that can take us up the table.

The club can decide whether to offer reduced-term, one-year contracts for the likes of Keane, Coleman, Begovic, Young and Doucoure, as well as an extension for Gueye.

I am not saying I want to see all of the above-mentioned players retained (aside from Gueye who has earned an additional year), but the club may consider it better to, for example, keep Keane on seriously reduced terms for another season than get rid and spend 10 million on a backup player. Same with Doucoure. Young and Coleman clearly offer much-needed leadership in the squad, however Coleman as a player offers nothing at all any more. I think Young can still - even at 40 - have a role to play for one more season.

Clearly we still have a lot of work to do on the salary front, so the club cannot even consider keeping soon-to-be out-of-contract players as backup on anywhere near their current salaries.

I wouldn't at all be angry if we kept Doucoure, Keane and Young for an extra season on half of their current salaries, but we have to say goodbye to Seamus as a player this season. A testimonial at the new ground would be fitting, it could even be the first game we play there in pre-season.

Then the club can decide on the option for Mangala - maybe we're even in a position to take him back on loan and 'risk' his salary for a season while he returns to fitness. I can see Lyon being open to that.

Given that neither Harrison nor Lindstrom have particularly impressed (zero goals zero assists from wingers really is pathetic), I can't see either of them being brought back permanently. Again, a further loan for Lindstrom as a wing option would be fine, but we haven't seen anywhere near enough to tie down four years of finances on him.

The work on identifying permanent moves for two wingers, a striker and, hopefully, a set of full backs, can now begin and fingers crossed the funds are there to bring in at a bare minimum a starting left back, one winger and as good a striker as we can find - three players added to the starting XI - and obviously Alcaraz if Moyes wants him.

Hopefully four or five permanent deals, perhaps Mangala and Lindstrom loans, and contract extensions for 2-3 players.

A massive summer awaits us.
 
Makis said:
One thing I keep forgetting and which a lot of people don't realise, even those well versed with PSR etc is that amortization only counts from signing day to end of financial year for that year.

Which means we shouldn't have issues signing players already in June if there is even a little bit of leeway in PSR. For instance, if club signs a player on June 15th for 30 million to a five-year contract amortization for this season would only be around 230k.
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Yup but stuff like a signing bonus would be applied in full the year they sign regardless of when. But good shout and yes we could do that and maybe that's part of the idea
 
brieverton said:
Are there are rough estimates or a ballpark figure of how much we could spend, assuming Branthwaite stays?

I'd imagine they'll be looking to get up to 8 players in.

Whatever the budget, and the market is a different universe to what it was in Moyes' first spell, they will still need to be very creative.

I'd be surprised if they could get to where they wanted at the end of August without utilizing the loan market again, or a couple of frees to add depth.

Hope Moyes' can work some magic.
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The stuff I did in terms of trying to work it out the other day mate was that unless we go absolutely crazy then this season and actually next as well PSR should not be any restricting factor.

We could do a 150-200m spend two years running if we wanted to and TFG stumped up the money. As long as we keep a control on the wage structure ofc
 
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