Current Affairs Suella Braverman

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You would think, but it really does.
It's on you to draw the connection, not me. I pointed out the logical flaw. You want the hole closed, close it.

Not sure that's true. It appeals to the 150k or so cranks in the Tory party membership and Telegraph readers (one and same) who lap this stuff up, alongside the culture wars stuff.
That's still a large market. If you want to argue it has outsize influence on your politics for structural reasons, I'm not inclined to dispute it. More or less how the nutters in the Freedom Caucus now have metastasized into having Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House.
 
Braverman exists because there's a large market for what she's selling. It doesn't follow that the left somehow created or creates racism by running to the center.
We have an opposition that is scared of its electorate, incapable of holding her to account properly for fear of alienating the very voters they're chasing. So whilst no, it doesn't create racism itself, Labour's lurch to the right gives Braverman and her ilk a credibility that they would never have had before.

The thing with her is that there isn't in fact a large market for what she's selling - the Tories were not this right wing when people voted for them in 2019 - no matter how hard to try and kid everyone that three failed PMs in a term is perfectly normal governmental practice.
 
We have an opposition that is scared of its electorate, incapable of holding her to account properly for fear of alienating the very voters they're chasing. So whilst no, it doesn't create racism itself, Labour's lurch to the right gives Braverman and her ilk a credibility that they would never have had before.

The thing with her is that there isn't in fact a large market for what she's selling - the Tories were not this right wing when people voted for them in 2019 - no matter how hard to try and kid everyone that three failed PMs in a term is perfectly normal governmental practice.
Standard theories of voting would suggest that Starmer's strategy, in tacking right, is to hand the Tories as crushing a defeat as possible. The usual response to such a defeat is for a political party to purge the extremists from positions of responsibility and change course, because they conclude that present leadership and leadership strategy is/was the problem.

I would argue that the process by which Braverman and her ilk have gained credibility is through control of the bully pulpit, and the media's insistence more broadly on taking the incumbent government seriously and propagating its message. I don't think Starmer's strategy has much to do with it. There's no sense in fire-eating for the sake of fire-eating. Hardly anyone pays attention to what political leaders actually say anyway. Find me an American that reads the Congressional Record. I guarantee you said American is an academic doing research on political positions. No one else does this.

I don't think you have a Trump problem on your hands. Boris is gone in disgrace, and the Tories are polling at 25%. We have some severe structural problems that opened the door for both Trump and the extreme right. I'm aware that some gerrymandering has gone on over there, but you have much better institutional protections than we do. Things would have to change in big ways for the Tories not to get thrashed in a year's time, and their opinion polling trend is down, down, down. Running up the score as hard as you can is wise. It will demonstrate the degree to which the country rejected the present course.

I understand why you're upset. You see an opportunity to push real change through, due to the Tories' historic unpopularity. Here's the problem. You lose in five years' time after the Tories regroup, and they roll it all right back. Slow walking change works better. Take the low-hanging fruit, get people to see that those changes work, propose further changes. That's how Ted Kennedy operated, and how you kill the Tories for a good long while.
 
This is based on an assumption that people want to slide towards the right?

This evil cow is rightly called an evil cow by everybody ive seen.

I dont mix in many circles other than this place, but I have yet to see anybody defend this hag, ever.
It'll be the "silent majority", people of Pete and his pub mates' ilk, boomers sitting around saying everything was better in their day when their parents went to war to make it better for them.
 
Let me get this straight, charities could potentially be punished for providing shelter IF the individual(s)/occupant(s) then use it in a way that's deemed a nuisance.

Whether someone agrees with the main gist of the potential law or not, why the fluff should the charity be held responsible for the actions of those in the tent?

That's nothing but a round-the-back way of telling the charities to stop doing it, which is horrendous. Some may like living on the streets; many do not!
 
This is based on an assumption that people want to slide towards the right?

This evil cow is rightly called an evil cow by everybody ive seen.

I dont mix in many circles other than this place, but I have yet to see anybody defend this hag, ever.
People don't know they are shifting to the right, they believe they are moderate as it becomes 'the norm'. Normal 'conservatism' occupies the space Farage did post Brexit.
This new legislation Braverman is proposing would have Greenpeace, the Green Party, Save the Children etc, all shut down as extremists.
People will lap it up.
We are probably at verse two of Niemollers words right now.
 
People don't know they are shifting to the right, they believe they are moderate as it becomes 'the norm'. Normal 'conservatism' occupies the space Farage did post Brexit.

This new legislation Braverman is proposing would have Greenpeace, the Green Party, Save the Children etc, all shut down as extremists.

People will lap it up.

We are probably at verse two of Niemollers words right now.
Well said mate, radicalisation very rarely comes in a lightbulb moment
 
People don't know they are shifting to the right, they believe they are moderate as it becomes 'the norm'. Normal 'conservatism' occupies the space Farage did post Brexit.
This new legislation Braverman is proposing would have Greenpeace, the Green Party, Save the Children etc, all shut down as extremists.
People will lap it up.
We are probably at verse two of Niemollers words right now.

The one thing that gives me hope is that, so far at least, there are no means to enforce any of this. The cops and army won’t do it, and they don’t have a genuine mobilised base.

Rather than a coherent moves lot of what she says is just idiotic, like the non crime hate incidents policy I mentioned before, which is a ongoing issue over Israel / Palestine especially.
 
The one thing that gives me hope is that, so far at least, there are no means to enforce any of this. The cops and army won’t do it, and they don’t have a genuine mobilised base.

Rather than a coherent moves lot of what she says is just idiotic, like the non crime hate incidents policy I mentioned before, which is a ongoing issue over Israel / Palestine especially.
Quite often the generation coming through are able to outmaneuver the propaganda information wise as well. We can see this with the average age of peace protests taking place right now.

Perhaps an increased multiculturalism also prevents the right wing making minorities into the common enenmy they hope to.
 
The one thing that gives me hope is that, so far at least, there are no means to enforce any of this. The cops and army won’t do it, and they don’t have a genuine mobilised base.

Rather than a coherent moves lot of what she says is just idiotic, like the non crime hate incidents policy I mentioned before, which is a ongoing issue over Israel / Palestine especially.
Easy answer to that is privatised security. Exists in the US already and somewhat ironically is fast becoming one of Israel's largest economies.
 
Quite often the generation coming through are able to outmaneuver the propaganda information wise as well. We can see this with the average age of peace protests taking place right now.

Perhaps an increased multiculturalism also prevents the right wing making minorities into the common enenmy they hope to.
I'd say that's a normal. The anti Vietnam war marches were younger people, poll tax too. Iraq war etc etc all galvanise a younger generation, probably because all old farts like me are busy with kids or entirely arthrhitic...or can't afford to leave the house.
 
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