Stones tells Everton he wants Man City transfer

[Hong Kong Bluey]

Sure, part ex with Aguero anyone?

 

[Khalekan]

Never really stood a chance though. Had great ability and potential but never got the chance to prove it. Could go the same way from Stones

Jack is a great example of what lies in wait for Stones at City.

He made a mistake in his very first home game for them which lead to a goal against City and he was immediately put under the spotlight.

He never recovered from it mentally and then injuries kept him back so he never got the chance to nail down a regular first team spot.

Fabian Delf is another who has seen his career stall since going there.

I am disinclined to say owt about wee Raheem as anyone with half a brain knew he wasn't worth half of what they paid for him before he even kicked a ball for City.

Joining those kind of clubs which demand instant return for massive money is not ideal for young players still making their way in the game IMO.

If John diesn't hit the ground running there he will struggle, especially if he keeps making the errors we have become so accustomed to seeing.

 

[The Cowboy]

Sure, part ex with Aguero anyone?

He's going back to Argentina next year isn't he?

 

[Ashtonian]

We got over Rooney. We will get over Stones.

Considering how many rooney threads start up on here i very much doubt it lol

TBF if it wasn't for Roberto we wouldn't be about to turn a £3m investment into a £53m payout (albeit with 15% to Barnsley). Moyes never wanted him - he didn't even get on a Moyes bench in that last 6 months. He was on his way to sign for Wigan (i.e. RM) and was told to sign for Everton instead. (Ferguson said in his updated autobiography Moyes was tapped up in the December).

So yes, last 12-18 months RM has messed up a lot of players as well as the team. If the Rags are still offering that much then I agree he's potentially next year's Sterling, so sell. Worst case is he's actually as good as some predicted. We still got good money for him.

To be fair, any manager who didn't shun him to the reserves would have played him. We give Martinez credit for playing him sure but distin still would have been gambled on and therefore he still would have played when distin was dropped afterwards.

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Jack is a great example of what lies in wait for Stones at City.

He made a mistake in his very first home game for them which lead to a goal against City and he was immediately put under the spotlight.

He never recovered from it mentally and then injuries kept him back so he never got the chance to nail down a regular first team spot.

Fabian Delf is another who has seen his career stall since going there.

I am disinclined to say owt about wee Raheem as anyone with half a brain knew he wasn't worth half of what they paid for him before he even kicked a ball for City.

Joining those kind of clubs which demand instant return for massive money is not ideal for young players still making their way in the game IMO.

If John diesn't hit the ground running there he will struggle, especially if he keeps making the errors we have become so accustomed to seeing.

Stones is 10x the player Rodwell was though. Beyond the 09/10 season Rodwell did absolutely nothing for us, I was astounded when City signed him, he had absolutely no chance of making it there. In his last 6 months here Gibson came in and took his place in the team and reminded us what an actual midfielder looked like. I'm confident that Stones' and Rodwell's experiences at City will be worlds apart.

 

[BlueToff]

Never really stood a chance though. Had great ability and potential but never got the chance to prove it. Could go the same way from Stones

It won't. Stones is a step above Rodwell mate.

 

[Ashtonian]

Jack is a great example of what lies in wait for Stones at City.

He made a mistake in his very first home game for them which lead to a goal against City and he was immediately put under the spotlight.

He never recovered from it mentally and then injuries kept him back so he never got the chance to nail down a regular first team spot.

Fabian Delf is another who has seen his career stall since going there.

I am disinclined to say owt about wee Raheem as anyone with half a brain knew he wasn't worth half of what they paid for him before he even kicked a ball for City.

Joining those kind of clubs which demand instant return for massive money is not ideal for young players still making their way in the game IMO.

If John diesn't hit the ground running there he will struggle, especially if he keeps making the errors we have become so accustomed to seeing.

I doubt it.

Rodwell was signed as a reasonablly priced english player for the squad. Same as delph was signed for the same reason, someone half decent and experienced in the league to play back up and increase the english quota. Stones is being signed as a long term investment as is sterling. The difference here is that stones may not walk into the city line up but then he is young enough to bide his time. If bonucci and kompany are first choice for them then he will have plenty of time to be coached properly and will have plenty of oppertunities to impress and get in the first team not to mention kompany's injury record.

It is easy to forget just how young stones actually is. Lets be honest here, considering how much he has to learn, a club (everton) would be stupid to have a 21 year old as their first choice defender without any real back up for them.

 

[The Cowboy]

Jack is a great example of what lies in wait for Stones at City.

He made a mistake in his very first home game for them which lead to a goal against City and he was immediately put under the spotlight.

He never recovered from it mentally and then injuries kept him back so he never got the chance to nail down a regular first team spot.

Fabian Delf is another who has seen his career stall since going there.

I am disinclined to say owt about wee Raheem as anyone with half a brain knew he wasn't worth half of what they paid for him before he even kicked a ball for City.

Joining those kind of clubs which demand instant return for massive money is not ideal for young players still making their way in the game IMO.

If John diesn't hit the ground running there he will struggle, especially if he keeps making the errors we have become so accustomed to seeing.

He was targeted by teams last year as a weak defender, and that'll get even worse at City, who are not renowned for their top quality CBs. The City fans won't cut him any slack if he does anything to hinder their title challenge.

 

[The Cowboy]

I doubt it.

Rodwell was signed as a reasonablly priced english player for the squad. Same as delph was signed for the same reason, someone half decent and experienced in the league to play back up and increase the english quota. Stones is being signed as a long term investment as is sterling. The difference here is that stones may not walk into the city line up but then he is young enough to bide his time. If bonucci and kompany are first choice for them then he will have plenty of time to be coached properly and will have plenty of oppertunities to impress and get in the first team not to mention kompany's injury record.

It is easy to forget just how young stones actually is. Lets be honest here, considering how much he has to learn, a club (everton) would be stupid to have a 21 year old as their first choice defender without any real back up for them.

Rodwell wasn't 'reasonably priced' when he went there, and expectations were that he would become a first teamer. That evaporated quicker than a piss in the desert though.

 

[BlueToff]

Jack is a great example of what lies in wait for Stones at City.

He made a mistake in his very first home game for them which lead to a goal against City and he was immediately put under the spotlight.

He never recovered from it mentally and then injuries kept him back so he never got the chance to nail down a regular first team spot.

Fabian Delf is another who has seen his career stall since going there.

I am disinclined to say owt about wee Raheem as anyone with half a brain knew he wasn't worth half of what they paid for him before he even kicked a ball for City.

Joining those kind of clubs which demand instant return for massive money is not ideal for young players still making their way in the game IMO.

If John diesn't hit the ground running there he will struggle, especially if he keeps making the errors we have become so accustomed to seeing.

Rodwell (and conversely Delph) were brought in as squad players because they are English mate, and City needed to fulfil those requirements for their squad.

Stones is a step above both in terms of class and will be being brought in as a first-team player, especially considering Pep idolises defenders in his mould, though there will be bumps in form, obviously.

Also, Stones is nowhere near as injury prone as Rodwell was. Jack could have been a great player but ultimately he couldn't keep fit - not through any major fault of his own - and he never seemed to have the self-belief he could make the best of the opportunity at City (that may also be down to the fact that he never actually wanted to leave Everton in the first place. He was sold so we could buy Mirallas).

 

[Ashtonian]

Rodwell wasn't 'reasonably priced' when he went there, and expectations were that he would become a first teamer. That evaporated quicker than a piss in the desert though.

12 million mate is reasonably priced. Even back then 12 million was not a big amount for a young english player with potential.

 

[BlueToff]

He was targeted by teams last year as a weak defender, and that'll get even worse at City, who are not renowned for their top quality CBs. The City fans won't cut him any slack if he does anything to hinder their title challenge.

No, he wasn't. Our entire defence was targeted because of a weak defence in unison, not one player.

 

[BlueToff]

Rodwell wasn't 'reasonably priced' when he went there, and expectations were that he would become a first teamer. That evaporated quicker than a piss in the desert though.

Totally wrong.

£12mil was nowt to City, and he was a squad player who they hoped would develop into a first teamer. Injuries and lack of form (plus the ability to make it in a side challenging for the title) derailed that.

Stones is 10x the player Rodwell was, even with his flaws.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Jack is a great example of what lies in wait for Stones at City.

He made a mistake in his very first home game for them which lead to a goal against City and he was immediately put under the spotlight.

He never recovered from it mentally and then injuries kept him back so he never got the chance to nail down a regular first team spot.

Fabian Delf is another who has seen his career stall since going there.

I am disinclined to say owt about wee Raheem as anyone with half a brain knew he wasn't worth half of what they paid for him before he even kicked a ball for City.

Joining those kind of clubs which demand instant return for massive money is not ideal for young players still making their way in the game IMO.

If John diesn't hit the ground running there he will struggle, especially if he keeps making the errors we have become so accustomed to seeing.

You're right in what you say about him needing to hit the ground running, they're not going to forgive many mistakes before he's dropped and termed a big waste of money. He'd of been forgiven them here, but not at City.

John isn't a stupid lad though and I suspect he knows this already, which speaks volumes about his self confidence.

 

[Ashtonian]

He was targeted by teams last year as a weak defender, and that'll get even worse at City, who are not renowned for their top quality CBs. The City fans won't cut him any slack if he does anything to hinder their title challenge.

of course he was.

Jesus we had a 21 year old defender as our first choice and out of form. Let's be honest here, it is ridiculous that he was ever first choice guaranteed for us. Involved sure, and kept in the team when he was playing well but of course a 21 year old is going to be somewhat of a liability. He had nowhere to hide when things didn't go well, no comfort blanket where he could learn from his mistakes. It was just back out there the next week and told to literally 'kepp doing what you are doing'.

and people wonder why he wants to leave us so much apparently! he should be learning his trade now not being the first defender on the team sheet no matter what.