Stoke City v Everton. 15th Dec @ 15.00.

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I am sure Felli has been sent off before just before Xmas so he gets permission to go home to Belgium for a nice break - he never looked interested today - the old Felli lashing out on shawcross with his head & hands, but if you comopare how they hold players in the box on corners why no pens given????? city got one for something v us for far less Feli just lost the plot imo!

This side of him has shown up way too much this year. You can easily cause him to lose it by pushing back against him. Stoke just used West Brom's playbook and he is going to see more of it this year. Uh actually next year considering he's not going to be around for a while. I know he's our best player but despite all his talent once he loses it he becomes a liability and needs to be subbed.
 
I was only talking about the first half mate. You said you didn't think we were the better team, we had our moments and they had their moments. Their attacks were launch it and get it in the box, which as you say we dealt with because they're ****e and getting it in the box is all they do, it's not like it's whipped crosses all day long, they just stick it in there.

I haven't said anything about whether our players are better or stats or anything. If Stoke had scored our goal to go 1-0 up I'm sure their fans would expect them to defend properly and win the game.

To my eye, in the first half, we were more dangerous than them and were generally playing better.

It's not the end of the world, I'm not furious, it's just another tempering reflection of our level.

Fair enough mate. They're only three points behind us and considering were having a perceived very good start then it shows Stoke aren't as bad as many are making them out to be. The way they worked hard today and forced us only backs that up.

A very decent away point in my book. Just wish Osman would have put that chance away. Tit.
 
I was only talking about the first half mate. You said you didn't think we were the better team, we had our moments and they had their moments. Their attacks were launch it and get it in the box, which as you say we dealt with because they're ****e and getting it in the box is all they do, it's not like it's whipped crosses all day long, they just stick it in there.

I haven't said anything about whether our players are better or stats or anything. If Stoke had scored our goal to go 1-0 up I'm sure their fans would expect them to defend properly and win the game.

To my eye, in the first half, we were more dangerous than them and were generally playing better.

It's not the end of the world, I'm not furious, it's just another tempering reflection of our level.

I dont get that comment

City and Arsenal failed to take 3 point there, So whats there level?
 
Moyes says he saw the headbutt but not the attempted haymakers. Looks like he is desperately trying to hold in the ffs bomb http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20743793

this again just shows what winds me up about Moyes when asked about the penalty that should of been given "its a 50-50 sometimes you get them sometimes you dont" why does he never point out when we are robbed from decisions yet is quick to jump on his own players it confuses me
 
What a horrible grok team. Centrebacks that foul constantly and midfielders that sometimes go for the ball. We were badly shît today though. Fellaini was awful and should have had a red at least once. Pienaar was gash. Howard was his old self. Not sure if Ossie left the field for an hour. Naismith still isn't a right midfielder. Jelavic is terrible when he gets frustrated, he's like Fellaini without the headbutts.
Thankfully there's no break and I only have to live with this game in my memory for a week. Now I'm going for a shît, which will probably by the highlight of today.
 
that went as well as it could have. A draw and no broken bones. I thought the refs were horrible today for both teams. Stoke did a good job of pressing us but couldn't really get anything going for themselves either.

The headbutt was stupid by Felli and I'm glad Moyes called him out on it. No player is above the rules and reputation of the club. Also its a bit kneejerky to say that Felli wants out because Moyes is treating him and all the players like he always has. Idk know about criticising Howard though for playing poorly is the right thing to do. It's one thing to admit your player headbutted someone its another criticise them for having a bad game. Granted howard has been horrific this season.
 
have a horrible feeling he's gonna get atleast a 4-5 game ban hope not but other teams know how effective he is for us and will probably jump on the bandwagon on getting him suspended for longer
 
this again just shows what winds me up about Moyes when asked about the penalty that should of been given "its a 50-50 sometimes you get them sometimes you dont" why does he never point out when we are robbed from decisions yet is quick to jump on his own players it confuses me

Take it you have missed the countless interviews he has moaned about decisions?
 
fellaini deserves a 6 match ban for that, at the time we need him most. I hope Moyes fines him everything possible too, [Poor language removed].
 
Not a good showing by the team tonight. Fellaini is lucky he wasn't sent off; Osman missed an absolute sitter for the winning goal; Howard messed up incredibly on their goal. Lucky to get a point out of it, but at least we got a point.
 
‎'I have told him (Fellaini) in the dressing room that it is not acceptable & I won't accept it as a manager that he does that.' - David Moyes.

I'm actually glad we've got a manager who doesn't advocate ****house behaviour, you won't see the Everton lads wearing 'Free Fellaini' shirts before West Ham... I didn't see it, but just seen a clip on youtube, it's disgraceful. Who's he think he is Duncan in a Wig?

At the end of the day, as someone else has pointed out, this is a hard place to come. Stoke and Arsenal have failed to beat these here and in recent years I can only really remember Chelsea and United picking up wins on more than on occasion. We really need to start performing better...
 
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