So, this Syria thing...

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It's a crap metaphor.

If a kid's been attacked you step in and save him, easy peasy. A war isn't like that, armed intervention very rarely reduces the body count or doesn't lead to problems down the line. It just makes you feel better for having done something.

I object to spending british money and british lives on something that I don't think will have any real benefit in terms of improving lives, beyond make people feel good about the fact we were involved.

What would we do which would improve things? How would armed intervention help in any way?



We do. And if syria were an aggressive power attacking our allies and threatening to expand exponentially, we certainly should intervene.

But they're not, they're purely focused on internal enemies. And there's a reason we went to war with hitler but not stalin, because our policy is not to intervene for moral reasons but for strategic ones.

The aggressive expansive power, is the islamist rebels syria are gassing.

I see your point, but I still think my example is relevant. It's a state of mind. What is far away to you or I, is still close to those who think globally. If British interests or strategic interests are threatened we must intervene. But, you know, I actually like being part of a country that also decides to intervene because it is the right thing to do............
 
I'm not ashamed of anything, well, not stuff that I'd post on here anyway.

but to answer your question, I'd need more insight....improved the planet in what way mate ?

Have a read about the British Empire, the Industrial Revolution, World War 1 & 2, English Language, Democracy, Womens Liberation, Foreign Aid, English Law, The closure of Slavery.........should keep you going....
 
Have a read about the British Empire, the Industrial Revolution, World War 1 & 2, English Language, Democracy, Womens Liberation, Foreign Aid, English Law, The closure of Slavery.........should keep you going....

haha ok, will do

should I skip any chapters about ...

opium wars

slavery on an industrial scale

Amritsar, India

the Sudetenlands ???

or should I read all of it ?
 
haha ok, will do

should I skip any chapters about ...

opium wars

slavery on an industrial scale

Amritsar, India

the Sudetenlands ???

or should I read all of it ?

Make sure you read all 3 opium wars....fascinating....

We were boss at slavery, before we banned and stopped it.....

Most Indians still wish we were in charge......

Have a word with the Germans about the Sudetenlands.........
 
Make sure you read all 3 opium wars....fascinating....

We were boss at slavery, before we banned and stopped it.....

Most Indians still wish we were in charge......

Have a word with the Germans about the Sudetenlands.........

you obviously get my point then ?
 
I'm off to bed, NIK, Davek and Chico will be standing in for me until I awake........please send all comments directly via PM's to them..........
 
I'm off to bed, NIK, Davek and Chico will be standing in for me until I awake........please send all comments directly via PM's to them..........

ah well, guess you thinking that the British Empire was "boss at slavery" was one of the ways in which we improved the planet

night mate
 
Has anyone elaborated on the petroleum/natural gas interests of corporations that someone linked earlier lids? :)
 
Many views have been expressed, I do not think it helps to talk of historical events or other problematic issues around the world.

The thread was about Syria and the current events there. I abhor the use of chemical weapons like all other civilised beings, but I also abhor killing fellow beings. Assad is bad and he is trying to cling onto power what ever it takes. No one has asked why on earth does he have chemical weapons which were there before the fighting started and who suppled them. Contrary to some comment seen, Assad was armed by Russia and China, very little came from the west. Russia has continually blocked moves in the UN to try and stop the bloodshed.

Our difficulty to me seems if we take action against Assad and weaken him, the rebels win and then there is further mass slaughter committed by the rebels. Who are the rebels? we all know there are many Syrians but what other factions are involved here, who may have their own agendas.

It has been said in response evil will prosper if the good do nothing, but the problem is as I stated above, the good i,e. the rbels could turn out to be just as evil.

To me there is really no such thing as surgical strikes such as using cruise missiles, innocent folk civilians will still be killed or maimed. We can talk about Cameron having his moment on dodgy intelligence and not getting the endorsement he wished for, this is because the situation in Parliament regarding such issues was altered after Blair took us into war in Iraq based on outrageous untruths. His argument for intervention in Afghanistan was equally flawed.

BTW the USA did help the UK over Falklands contrary to someone's comment, with logistical support and armaments, in fact Cheney with the knowlegde of the then President bent over backwards behind the scenes to help the Uk and Thatcher.

Back to Syria though, this is poisoned chalice and for which there is no easy resolution, there never is in civil wars.
 
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