Sir Seamus Coleman

[Neiler]

I think Neiler is Moyes in disguise.
My hero.

You calling me ginger mate!

 

[monty]

You calling me ginger mate!

Hey baldy you can't be Moyes

 

[Neiler]

Hey baldy you can't be Moyes

They call it a Speedo Plus mate!

 

[davek]

Best women in Ireland are from Donegal mate, best surfing to and one of the most beutifull counties, Not to mention Super Shay Given and Packie Bonner.

Seamie will be a good one, Saturdays game is all wrong for him though. Anything that may stop us playing Kilbane at fullback has to be a good thing in my eyes.

Nah, seriously, I tend to agree with you Neiler. I'd leave him on the bench against Arsenal, Chelsea or United just at the moment in order to protect his development. Outside of them, though, he should be let off the leash.

 

[Philw]

Poor Tony, hes a decent player, most teams would die for a player like him, sadly we outgrew him as a team years ago. Dont get me wrong, I would never wish to see him leave, but I just feel that if we are to progress, players that are limited, such as Tony Hibbert, Leon Osman, should only ever be back up players.

Sorry Leon and Tony, your both excellent pros, but your just not "next level" players.

Thus when a bright spark such as Coleman comes along, we shouldnt discuss whether he will be able to perfrom against The Arse, we should throw the lid in and stand back and watch.

Werd 2 ur mom.

Take it easy Neiler, I am not saying what I am saying to argue with you or convince you or compare him with Hibbert and I do believe you are a fan of Coleman as well. I was just saying how I feel.

First you agree with Coleman would probably be the future first choice RB for us? Right?

Second you would agree defending against Arsenal would not necessary result in a positive outcome? Right?

Third you would agree Arsenal is never a easy game for us and we had lost to them more often than not over last 7 years playing defensive football against them away? Right?

Then, why not try something different? Playing offensive and pressing football and see what happen?

If he is the future for us, why not give him a try now? Experience should do him no harm, he would know what is require of him against a top side like Arsenal.

I agree with this in theory, but its easy for us to say, but not for Moyes to do I'm sure if he did and it backfired the fans would be up in arms!

Not being aggressive here lads. I want something out of this game and INo Hibbert offers us the best chance. Hey if we get spanked and are three down id bring Coleman on for the expierence.. But his style and strengths wont suit this game. Id give him a start in a couple of weeks or in certian fixtures - he has earned a start, just not against Arsenal were undoubthed world class talents will hand him his backside. Even with that expierence we arent in a postition where we can give up points that easily given our porximity to the relegation zone.

As for Seamie being the long term answer to the RB - well he has shown enough potential to warrent chances in the right circumstamces hes a long way that being certain though. As i say naturally being Irish i woul dlove him to be the next big thing but oblecitively and in the best intrests of the team and proaticularly this game - expierence is needed. This game just wont pander to Seamies strengths.

Coleman handled Lennon et al pretty well against spurs I thought, while Arshavin may be a different prospect, should he line up against him, i think he could handle Walcott and the rest also. Plus if he did play he would provide an attacking threat down that side which Arsenal may have to pay more respect to than they might Hibbert, which could help in restaining their RM/W somewhat.

 

[Hayee]

Three actually, don't forget he also played in Bates game, not just Spurs and Carlisle.

makes all the difference, not good v benfica away. Oh, 4 actually. So yeah, did okay against bate, game had not alot to shout about, maybe it was because i was so cold. Brilliant v spurs, and played a few mins v carlisle!

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Hve to say bollocks, give him a chance. How else will he gain expereince, needs to go up against top players to test him. Harvey was chucked in when he was very young asd was Rooney.

 

[Hayee]

Hve to say bollocks, give him a chance. How else will he gain expereince, needs to go up against top players to test him. Harvey was chucked in when he was very young asd was Rooney.

not in defence against cesc they weren't

 

[Robert Jarvis]

??????????????? Harvey debuted against Inter Milan and Rooney against Arsenal I thinki. So what are you talking about.

If a player is good enough then get in there.

 

[StDomingosGringo]

I'm with Neiler and Davek. Arsenal is not the game to be giving Coleman his first league start if we can possibly avoid it. Wenger will target him much more effectively than Redknapp did in the Spurs game.

I rate Coleman highly and I want to see more of him THIS season so he can be a real contender for first choice RB next season but if you're using the Spurs game as proof positive that he can do a job both defensively and offensively against Arsenal then I'd watch the highlights again on ETV.

First off Lennon was deployed (as usual) on the right meaning he was up against Baines. Coleman played most of the game up against Gareth Bale, who is just not very good and Kranjar, who offers little pace and didn't help cover Bale. Jenus replaced Kranjar and he offered even less protection.

Coleman did well in the build up to the two goals but if we're looking at it from a Spurs viewpoint Bale was done embarrasingly easily for the first and Coleman was rarely closed down effectively including the cross which lead to Cahill's equalizer.

Arsenal have the quality outwide and the passing game to pin Baines back and still target Coleman with Arshavin. I don't mean his techical ability I mean his positional awareness and discipline. It won't do him any good to have his inexperience highlighted so harshly and we'll be running a big risk that could happen.

Until Distin or Rodwell are available, meaning Neill or Neville moving to RB it looks like it'll be sink or swim for Coleman. Moyes doesn't like putting that pressure on young lads but looks like needs must.

 

[Hayee]

??????????????? Harvey debuted against Inter Milan and Rooney against Arsenal I thinki. So what are you talking about.

If a player is good enough then get in there.

cesc fabregas will tear him to shreds! He's a defender, Rooney's a striker, colin harvey was a midfielder!

 

[Lao]

I'm with Neiler and Davek. Arsenal is not the game to be giving Coleman his first league start if we can possibly avoid it. Wenger will target him much more effectively than Redknapp did in the Spurs game.

I rate Coleman highly and I want to see more of him THIS season so he can be a real contender for first choice RB next season but if you're using the Spurs game as proof positive that he can do a job both defensively and offensively against Arsenal then I'd watch the highlights again on ETV.

First off Lennon was deployed (as usual) on the right meaning he was up against Baines. Coleman played most of the game up against Gareth Bale, who is just not very good and Kranjar, who offers little pace and didn't help cover Bale. Jenus replaced Kranjar and he offered even less protection.

Coleman did well in the build up to the two goals but if we're looking at it from a Spurs viewpoint Bale was done embarrasingly easily for the first and Coleman was rarely closed down effectively including the cross which lead to Cahill's equalizer.

Arsenal have the quality outwide and the passing game to pin Baines back and still target Coleman with Arshavin. I don't mean his techical ability I mean his positional awareness and discipline. It won't do him any good to have his inexperience highlighted so harshly and we'll be running a big risk that could happen.

Until Distin or Rodwell are available, meaning Neill or Neville moving to RB it looks like it'll be sink or swim for Coleman. Moyes doesn't like putting that pressure on young lads but looks like needs must.

Excellent piece of analysis there. Only thing I would say is that he is not exactly a 'young' lad. Isn't he 22 or something, look at the ages of some of the Arsenal players, and most good players are first team regulars by that age. I would go with him - he is better than Hibbert, of that I have absolutely no doubt.

 

[StDomingosGringo]

True he's not young, inexperienced is a better word. With all respect to our Sligo supporting friends, developing at The Bit O' Red since 2006 is not the same as developing at Arsenal.

Made me walk a tight rope there Lao you horror.

 

[Neiler]

I'm with Neiler and Davek. Arsenal is not the game to be giving Coleman his first league start if we can possibly avoid it. Wenger will target him much more effectively than Redknapp did in the Spurs game.

I rate Coleman highly and I want to see more of him THIS season so he can be a real contender for first choice RB next season but if you're using the Spurs game as proof positive that he can do a job both defensively and offensively against Arsenal then I'd watch the highlights again on ETV.

First off Lennon was deployed (as usual) on the right meaning he was up against Baines. Coleman played most of the game up against Gareth Bale, who is just not very good and Kranjar, who offers little pace and didn't help cover Bale. Jenus replaced Kranjar and he offered even less protection.

Coleman did well in the build up to the two goals but if we're looking at it from a Spurs viewpoint Bale was done embarrasingly easily for the first and Coleman was rarely closed down effectively including the cross which lead to Cahill's equalizer.

Arsenal have the quality outwide and the passing game to pin Baines back and still target Coleman with Arshavin. I don't mean his techical ability I mean his positional awareness and discipline. It won't do him any good to have his inexperience highlighted so harshly and we'll be running a big risk that could happen.

Until Distin or Rodwell are available, meaning Neill or Neville moving to RB it looks like it'll be sink or swim for Coleman. Moyes doesn't like putting that pressure on young lads but looks like needs must.

Excellent post mate.

 

[Lao]

True he's not young, inexperienced is a better word. With all repect to our Sligo supporting friends, developing at The Bit O' Red since 2006 is not the same as developing at Arsenal.

Made me walk a tight rope there Lao you horror.

I agree with you all the way, but would love to see something different on that right side, give opposing teams something to have to work out rather than them simply exploiting our weaknesses.