Should Moyes be in charge for the last two games?

[BadWool76]

That's a bit dramatic. Aside from the refusal to read what I posted in the correct context, you have chosen to respond on the back of it. Kenwright's legacy is a divided fanbase, has been since the concept of DK was first raised. The appreciation can and should be shown, it's the way we do things, with dignity and class by tradition, but the club comes first, I'll repeat it again, he can sit in the director's box next to best bud Bill and take 90 minutes of applause if that's what counts, jeez, I'll be happy for him to stay in the title of Everton manager, but for impressions, perception and club standing, he should be relieved of game responsibilities and that given to Round or Sheedy or whoever. He shouldn't be in the dugout, especially after his post on the MUFC website. As for a monopoly of pain, well, I stopped feeling the agony of an Evertonian more and more as I got older, and hopefully wiser. Things take a greater precedence in life and coupled with Bill's tenure, and ironically, lack of support to a very good manager, made me care less and less. However, having been following the club since 63, my family go all the way back to St Domingo FC, I'm actually from St Domingo rd, doesn't fossilise me and separate me from the 'real world' as you put it, that would mean we are victims of circumstances we cannot control, but, and you should know this being the expert you profess, recent history has shown that the majority of constraints upon Everton FC maintaining it's standing in football have been avoidable, avoidable by means of good practice and professionalism, and in these circumstances we are continuing to allow others to dictate our standing. Do you not thin enough is enough? Do you think by allowing just one more event it won't matter? Do you not think it doesn't add to the catalogue of mishaps that have been allowed to affect the reputation of this club? Don't you ever in the name of all that is f*cking holy tell me to show some respect for my club, all our club, and I will state this quite categorically without question, that your attitude is what I am actually trying to protect this club from. Lie down, let the heritage of this club seep out bit by bit, but don't for one moment think that people 'like me', as you put it, will not fight to stop the 'likes of you'. Best if we leave it at that.

Top, Top post. When your eyes have seen the glory you will never, ever accept being second best. Mediocrity becomes a four letter word that has no place whatsoever set for it at your table. We dine on something better and it doesn't matter how it takes to come from the kitchen because we are not moving until it arrives. It is nothing short of tragic that modern football has poisoned some Evertonians mind frames and convinced them they are something they clearly are not. It sickens me to my very core.

I only have to look at our historic crest and a tear literally wells up in my eye, it sounds pathetic hell it is pathetic but more than ever it is what is needed here

 

[Sideliner]

fortunately "the vast majority of the media and other fans " do not determine my level of self respect and pride as an Everton fan -
Moyes can gain nothing by being manager of two clubs at the same time - except milking the blind loyalty of some Everton fans to the BITTER END to satisfy his ego -
should he win tomorrow why should someone think more of him -
but should Everton lose tomorrow and next week with Naismith the Scottish wonderboy as first sub he stands to lose a lot -not only from the Everton fans but more so from the United fans -
my feeling is that he just wants to see the Everton owners and fans in tears tomorrow as he waves us good bye -
after which he will feed Everton to Chelsea under new management -
as the new Man United manager in charge of Everton we might get the MUnited treatment from the officials tomorrow -
a penalty or 2 will certainly do or a red card to the hammers will also be fine -
in my humble opinion Mr Moyes is asking too much from some of us to still accept him at the helm of HMS Everton while wearing his Man United scarf with pride and the biggest smile I have ever seen on him in more than a year -
please step aside Mr Moyes and leave us to our own devices -
thank you for the offer but no thank you - we will survive without you -
you do not have to hold our hand any longer - we are old enough to MANAGE on our own - CHEERS MATE

 

[garyw]

Top, Top post. When your eyes have seen the glory you will never, ever accept being second best. Mediocrity becomes a four letter word that has no place whatsoever set for it at your table. We dine on something better and it doesn't matter how it takes to come from the kitchen because we are not moving until it arrives. It is nothing short of tragic that modern football has poisoned some Evertonians mind frames and convinced them they are something they clearly are not. It sickens me to my very core.

I only have to look at our historic crest and a tear literally wells up in my eye, it sounds pathetic hell it is pathetic but more than ever it is what is needed here

Great Post WE ARE EVERTON ffs

 

[electricblue]

That's a bit dramatic. Aside from the refusal to read what I posted in the correct context, you have chosen to respond on the back of it. Kenwright's legacy is a divided fanbase, has been since the concept of DK was first raised. The appreciation can and should be shown, it's the way we do things, with dignity and class by tradition, but the club comes first, I'll repeat it again, he can sit in the director's box next to best bud Bill and take 90 minutes of applause if that's what counts, jeez, I'll be happy for him to stay in the title of Everton manager, but for impressions, perception and club standing, he should be relieved of game responsibilities and that given to Round or Sheedy or whoever. He shouldn't be in the dugout, especially after his post on the MUFC website. As for a monopoly of pain, well, I stopped feeling the agony of an Evertonian more and more as I got older, and hopefully wiser. Things take a greater precedence in life and coupled with Bill's tenure, and ironically, lack of support to a very good manager, made me care less and less. However, having been following the club since 63, my family go all the way back to St Domingo FC, I'm actually from St Domingo rd, doesn't fossilise me and separate me from the 'real world' as you put it, that would mean we are victims of circumstances we cannot control, but, and you should know this being the expert you profess, recent history has shown that the majority of constraints upon Everton FC maintaining it's standing in football have been avoidable, avoidable by means of good practice and professionalism, and in these circumstances we are continuing to allow others to dictate our standing. Do you not thin enough is enough? Do you think by allowing just one more event it won't matter? Do you not think it doesn't add to the catalogue of mishaps that have been allowed to affect the reputation of this club? Don't you ever in the name of all that is f*cking holy tell me to show some respect for my club, all our club, and I will state this quite categorically without question, that your attitude is what I am actually trying to protect this club from. Lie down, let the heritage of this club seep out bit by bit, but don't for one moment think that people 'like me', as you put it, will not fight to stop the 'likes of you'. Best if we leave it at that.

Bit melodramatic that. Fight to stop the likes of me ?

Like many other people on here that don't have an issue with Moyes being in charge for the last 2 games, I am as anti - this regime as they come, and have been for a long time. I don't have an issue with anyone who doesn't want Moyes in charge for these 2 games. The problem is that you and some others are blaming those whose hold the opposing view to yourselves on this issue of effectively propping up the BK regime and being responsible for seeping the heritage out of the club, which is frankly insulting as it could not be further from the truth. We can agree to disagree on this issue without striking low blows like that.

 

[allezlesbleus]

Indeed there is.....and Chelsea are trailing at Villa Park as I post.

There is also the situation as it pertains to Arsenal and Spurs.

They may well need Everton to take something from the Chelsea game IMO this is going to be less likely with de-mob happy manager in charge.

Ok. I was thinking more in terms of DM deffo being motivated to go for the win which would suit us although I am probably doing him a bit of a disservice. I don't suppose he wants anything other than wins in our last games. Bottom line for me is I just think he should not be picking the team now.

 

[Khalekan]

Oh, I agree with you.

My post was actually designed to underscore your point.

He won't be focused all next week....it would be impossible.

 

[paulbefc]

I don't think so.

Many of us put the New Year slump down to the emergence of the "contract negotiations" issue which reared its head in January and the seaon started going south.

Those of us whom pointed out this self evident truism were derided and told it made no differemce.

We now know that it made a tremendous difference as the manager's mind was elsewhere, because negotiations for this ascent to the OT throne didn't just start this morning with the Fergie announcement.

IMO they have been ongoing for several months now to the detriment of Everton FC.

Moyes unsettled the club in the midst of what was looking a very promising campaign.

This is now irrefutable.

But it appears a done deal now and I for one feel relieved that is is all but over and I look forward to next season with a great deal more enthusiasm than I was twenty four hours ago.

There is one matter I think should be cleared up, though.

It's obvious David Moyes's mind is a million miles away from Everton right now and I don't think he should be involved in theam selection or tactics for our final two games.

Let Sheedy and Stubbs pick the team.

I think that would be a bit of fun.

Awful post that gets pretty much everything wrong.

I don't even know where or care to begin.

 

[Carlito]

I won't quote it as the pages are clogged enough, but I agree with a lot of what magicjuan said (I often do).

I don't see why Stubbs or Round couldn't have been placed in charge of team affairs, with Moyes brought out for the lap of honour at the end. That seems like the obvious course of action to me.

 

[Khalekan]

Awful post that gets pretty much everything wrong.

I don't even know where or care to begin.

Code: I can't argue against any of if so I'll pretend I can't be bothered.

 

[Moomin]

Top, Top post. When your eyes have seen the glory you will never, ever accept being second best. Mediocrity becomes a four letter word that has no place whatsoever set for it at your table. We dine on something better and it doesn't matter how it takes to come from the kitchen because we are not moving until it arrives. It is nothing short of tragic that modern football has poisoned some Evertonians mind frames and convinced them they are something they clearly are not. It sickens me to my very core.

I only have to look at our historic crest and a tear literally wells up in my eye, it sounds pathetic hell it is pathetic but more than ever it is what is needed here

If you look at the new crest, the tears will stream with anger and shame.

Great post by magicjaun again.

 

[magicjuan]

Bit melodramatic that. Fight to stop the likes of me ?

Like many other people on here that don't have an issue with Moyes being in charge for the last 2 games, I am as anti - this regime as they come, and have been for a long time. I don't have an issue with anyone who doesn't want Moyes in charge for these 2 games. The problem is that you and some others are blaming those whose hold the opposing view to yourselves on this issue of effectively propping up the BK regime and being responsible for seeping the heritage out of the club, which is frankly insulting as it could not be further from the truth. We can agree to disagree on this issue without striking low blows like that.

Actually, no I'm not. As for being low, it was your attitude towards my opinion that created that situation. I defended my position, no more or less. You have no moral high ground here, neither do I, but I do believe by not opposing the actions you give them legitimacy, you are the wind beneath Kenwright's wings...keep your blows a bit higher, I'll do likewise.

 

[Joey66]

Big Nev recons EFC should have drawn a shortlist up in January when he would not sign as a plan B to be in place to appoint a Manager just like Man U have instantly! Big Nev is sugesting towards Gus Poyet of Watford

 

[Chang Elephant]

If I had a snipers rifle, any undue dramatics, tears etc in the director's box tomorrow would be brought to a decent and quick end. As it is, I don't , and "plucky little Everton" are about to be embarrassed to **** in front of the Sky cameras tomorrow.

 

[kenada_blue]

It may not be right at the front of other club's thinking right now, but it is to businesses and when they come looking to do a bit of business what has happened will be considered right there and then. You only have to look at the commerce the club is involved in, every 'partner' has taken advantage. Only for Moyes himself and the team did we recover from the impression given out after letting Rooney go in a desperate state of affairs, 'not for 50m' was the soundbite, 20-27 is what is accepted as the figure achieved, on the drip. The impression matters to Evertonians, it should matter to all Evertonians, imho, of course.

I agree in some respect. But I can't find a link to what's happened with Moyes. I just don't feel he's dragged us through the mud with it.

But I've also pointed out that up until Moyes came in, since probably 1990, there's been major piss taking from the people who run the club.

Moyes being in charge for 2 games after announcing another job is pretty meaningless in comparison to what certain players, previous managers, and previous /current board members have done to this club. Hes almost a saint compared to them.

But it's an opinion. It's done now. We have to look forward

 

[BiggyRat]

The argument of whether he should or shouldn't is all too circular now. People have had their say & regardless of what we think or want, the club will carry on with their plans. Kenwright won't ask him to stand down and, for some reason, Moyes doesn't seem to see a problem.

July the second will be a new day & a new start for our club. We all have in common a love for Everton. This will last longer than Kenwright, and longer than Moyes so we move on, keep calm and don't panic!

I've had my say & I'm done on this matter. My opinion is as valid as the next person's, regardless of whether it's the same of different. We have a good forum to express ourselves, and hear opinions from all over the place. I too live on the opposite side of the planet and, for the record, I have watched our lads play at Goodison probably before a lot of you were born.

Anyway, lets all look forward to our future & not dwell too long on their new manager.

COYB!