Sean Dyche

davek said:
It's simple enough to understand: unlike Dyche, Moyes came to this club with the baggage of his sins. Nothing he can do will ever get me back onside with Moyes. Context doesn't come into it with him. That's a luxury he doesn't get or deserve to get.

I can still see if he gets it right and gets us top ten he should be allowed to stay on - I can make that judgement. But I can never hand him the sort of forgiveness that others seem to be able to. He's just marking time until he leaves as far as I'm concerned. I think he's about as repellent an Everton manager as we've had: insulting fans; protecting an owner who clearly was not fit to govern the club; attempting to steal our players after he left then bad-mouthing the club; disrespecting Kendall. He's a repulsive figure IMO.
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Fair enough. If you’ve decided Moyes is beyond redemption then at least you’re honest about it. But once you’ve taken that position, it’s probably worth admitting you’re not really analysing anything anymore. You’re just starting from 'I despise him' and working backwards.

Which is fine, people do that in football all the time. It’s the pretending that it’s some kind of principled framework that’s a bit funny.

You’ve essentially built a system where Moyes failing proves you right, and Moyes succeeding just proves he’s a repulsive man who happened to succeed. It’s quite an elegant piece of engineering... reality can’t actually touch the conclusion.

None of that means you care any less about the club, obviously. If anything it shows how much you do. It just means that when Moyes is involved the discussion stops being about Everton and turns into a very long-running personal grievance with occasional football results happening in the background.
 
Saint Domingo said:
The threat of the points deduction hung over us until the appeal reduced it. No one at the club at the time knew if it would be reduced or not, or how big the second deduction would be. We had to play matches under those conditions. Not sure why that’s so difficult to understand. Dyche reeled off 4 wins in a row in that period.

We’re only enjoying premier league football now because of the work Dyche did in those two seasons and it sickens you to admit that.

‘Beyond a miracle’ @MikeH72 2023
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I'd say the players and the fans did the work in keeping us up, not Dyche. With him at the helm, it was beyond a miracle that we weren't relegated.
 
Number_25 said:
Fair enough. If you’ve decided Moyes is beyond redemption then at least you’re honest about it. But once you’ve taken that position, it’s probably worth admitting you’re not really analysing anything anymore. You’re just starting from 'I despise him' and working backwards.

Which is fine, people do that in football all the time. It’s the pretending that it’s some kind of principled framework that’s a bit funny.

You’ve essentially built a system where Moyes failing proves you right, and Moyes succeeding just proves he’s a repulsive man who happened to succeed. It’s quite an elegant piece of engineering... reality can’t actually touch the conclusion.

None of that means you care any less about the club, obviously. If anything it shows how much you do. It just means that when Moyes is involved the discussion stops being about Everton and turns into a very long-running personal grievance with occasional football results happening in the background.
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Can you do one of these posts in the Stadium and Owners threads aswell..
 
heatmeiser said:
Is anyone buying the "some players didn't want to play" referring to the Bournemouth game?

If it was true, who would that be? Maupay? Myko? (can't remember if he was legit injured). I just can't think of anyone we had that would be that much of a s-house.
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I think it’s nonsense.

Myko did not play after the Brighton game so probably injured and we had McNeill as a left back or left wing back.
Patterson and DCL injured at Wolves the week before.
Keane played in the Wolves game and set up the equaliser plus he played(and scored) in the Palace game the season before so can’t believe it’s him.
If anyone did wilt under the pressure and not want to play then they must have been bit part players who were unlikely to play anyway.

File in the same place as his comment “Everton fans expected Europe qualification”.
 
Number_25 said:
Fair enough. If you’ve decided Moyes is beyond redemption then at least you’re honest about it. But once you’ve taken that position, it’s probably worth admitting you’re not really analysing anything anymore. You’re just starting from 'I despise him' and working backwards. Which is fine, people do that in football all the time. It’s the pretending that it’s some kind of principled framework that’s a bit funny. You’ve essentially built a system where Moyes failing proves you right, and Moyes succeeding just proves he’s a repulsive man who happened to succeed. It’s quite an elegant piece of engineering... reality can’t actually touch the conclusion. None of that means you care any less about the club, obviously. If anything it shows how much you do. It just means that when Moyes is involved the discussion stops being about Everton and turns into a very long-running personal grievance with occasional football results happening in the background.
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You just described 99% of posts on here about owners, managers, players, stadiums!!!
 

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