Sean Dyche

Saint Domingo said:
Contrast it to what’s going on at Spurs. A manager with points head start, above some pretty rubbish teams, with options such as Solanke Richarlison Simons Kolo Muani Gallagher Van der Ven Romero. Tudor has erupted after three games.

Try coming in on 15 points after 20 games, already in the relegation zone, Gordon out the door, attacking options of Maupay Gray and Townsend, an injury crisis, Arsenal first game, and a nightmare fixture list, plus you’re chasing down a Leicester team that KDH doesn’t even start every week for, and a Leeds team with Summerville Sinisterra Rodrigo Rutter Gnonto upfront both of whom have points head start on you!

Follow that up with being forced to sell Gray Iwobi Kean Mina the following season, a 12 point deduction hanging over you with the threat of another one to arrive, every player knowing you’re selling to profit in the next window as well, and throughout it all there’s no Everton board and the club is being lobbed around for sale between a number of parties taking finance from them to pay wages.
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Absolutely crying at the names you’re throwing about there, “forced to sell” Kean (already had an obligation built into his contract from 2 years before Dyche arrived) and Mina (contract expired and keeping him was a non starter due to his injury record).

Not to mention the list of Leeds players, Sinisterra and Rutter in particular who scored a combined 5 goals for them that season (with Rutter getting 0). They also had Meslier and Robles as their keepers instead of Pickford, which you conveniently fail to mention. That team went down because it was crap and amassed 31 points, not because Sean Dyche performed so amazingly that they just couldn’t overhaul us.

Then the made up 12 points deduction to boot, which quite simply never happened.

This is why people laugh at Dychettes, unable to just say at best, yeah he did the bare minimum that was asked of him when he came in. Have to make up an absolutely nonsense hero story with inaccuracies and exaggerations all over the place to try and make him look better. Look, he is a manager that has managed Burnley, Everton and Notts Forest in his career, he’s finished in the top half of the league once, and been relegated twice. He returned to management in October and it’s now March and he’s back on the podcast circuit trying to sell his arse to anyone stupid and desperate enough to listen. Let’s stick to facts rather than make stuff up shall we?
 
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Drico said:
He was a brilliant chairman if you wanted to pat Everton on the head, have a laugh, talk nostalgia, and marginalise the club to the nether regions of the league. Everton as an unthreatening football nostalgia museum was a popular concept for our former peers.
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Dyche seems to think he was brilliant chairman.
 
Number_25 said:
One thing I find interesting about your posts is that you’re clearly capable of engaging with context when you choose to. When the discussion is around Dyche, you're able to look at the circumstances, weigh the constraints, and arrive at a fairly balanced and supportive conclusion.

That’s why your approach to Moyes stands out so sharply. In those threads the tone shifts from contextual analysis to something much more reactionary, almost as though the conclusion is decided first and the argument comes afterwards. It feels less like the same person who was carefully weighing the situation with Dyche.

It’s a bit puzzling because you’ve already shown you can engage with the deeper context when you want to. So it would be interesting to see that same level of consideration applied consistently, rather than switching to what sometimes reads like blunt demagoguery when Moyes is the subject.

You’re clearly capable of more nuanced takes, which is exactly why the contrast is so noticeable.

Just an observation.
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It's simple enough to understand: unlike Dyche, Moyes came to this club with the baggage of his sins. Nothing he can do will ever get me back onside with Moyes. Context doesn't come into it with him. That's a luxury he doesn't get or deserve to get.

I can still see if he gets it right and gets us top ten he should be allowed to stay on - I can make that judgement. But I can never hand him the sort of forgiveness that others seem to be able to. He's just marking time until he leaves as far as I'm concerned. I think he's about as repellent an Everton manager as we've had: insulting fans; protecting an owner who clearly was not fit to govern the club; attempting to steal our players after he left then bad-mouthing the club; disrespecting Kendall. He's a repulsive figure IMO.
 

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