Sean Dyche

davek said:
Was he or is he a great coach? No.

Will he ever get trophy success? No.

Is he a great feller? No.


But the question that the Gaffer's haters will always try to avoid being asked is this:

'Did he save our skins for two seasons when we were on our knees when no other manager would touch us?' Yes, he certainly did.
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Contrast it to what’s going on at Spurs. A manager with points head start, above some pretty rubbish teams, with options such as Solanke Richarlison Simons Kolo Muani Gallagher Van der Ven Romero. Tudor has erupted after three games.

Try coming in on 15 points after 20 games, already in the relegation zone, Gordon out the door, attacking options of Maupay Gray and Townsend, an injury crisis, Arsenal first game, and a nightmare fixture list, plus you’re chasing down a Leicester team that KDH doesn’t even start every week for, and a Leeds team with Summerville Sinisterra Rodrigo Rutter Gnonto upfront both of whom have points head start on you!

Follow that up with being forced to sell Gray Iwobi Kean Mina the following season, a 12 point deduction hanging over you with the threat of another one to arrive, every player knowing you’re selling to profit in the next window as well, and throughout it all there’s no Everton board and the club is being lobbed around for sale between a number of parties taking finance from them to pay wages.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Contrast it to what’s going on at Spurs. A manager with points head start, above some pretty rubbish teams, with options such as Solanke Richarlison Simons Kolo Muani Gallagher Van der Ven Romero. Tudor has erupted after three games.

Try coming in on 15 points after 20 games, already in the relegation zone, Gordon out the door, attacking options of Maupay Gray and Townsend, an injury crisis, Arsenal first game, and a nightmare fixture list, plus you’re chasing down a Leicester team that KDH doesn’t even start every week for, and a Leeds team with Summerville Sinisterra Rodrigo Rutter Gnonto upfront both of whom have points head start on you!

Follow that up with being forced to sell Gray Iwobi Kean Mina the following season, a 12 point deduction hanging over you with the threat of another one to arrive, every player knowing you’re selling to profit in the next window as well, and throughout it all there’s no Everton board and the club is being lobbed around for sale between a number of parties taking finance from them to pay wages.
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I really dont know how we survived all that. The depths we sunk to will only be truly appreciated when we get a bit of success in the future.

The other thing to factor into the context you highlighted there was the fact that this club had an unbroken top flight presence of 70 years bearing down on the manager and team like a boulder.

It was enornmous. And even though Dyche shouldered all that for two seasons the weight of it plus the last season at Goodison and the new stadium waiting to go into had him buckling in the end.

But no, all that is just dismissed as "gravy tits walked out on us". The argument of the perennially stupid.
 
davek said:
I really dont know how we survived all that. The depths we sunk to will only be truly appreciated when we get a bit of success in the future.

The other thing to factor into the context you highlighted there was the fact that this club had an unbroken top flight presence of 70 years bearing down on the manager and team like a boulder.

It was enornmous. And even though Dyche shouldered all that for two seasons the weight of it plus the last season at Goodison and the new stadium waiting to go into had him buckling in the end.

But no, all that is just dismissed as "gravy tits walked out on us". The argument of the perennially stupid.
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One thing I find interesting about your posts is that you’re clearly capable of engaging with context when you choose to. When the discussion is around Dyche, you're able to look at the circumstances, weigh the constraints, and arrive at a fairly balanced and supportive conclusion.

That’s why your approach to Moyes stands out so sharply. In those threads the tone shifts from contextual analysis to something much more reactionary, almost as though the conclusion is decided first and the argument comes afterwards. It feels less like the same person who was carefully weighing the situation with Dyche.

It’s a bit puzzling because you’ve already shown you can engage with the deeper context when you want to. So it would be interesting to see that same level of consideration applied consistently, rather than switching to what sometimes reads like blunt demagoguery when Moyes is the subject.

You’re clearly capable of more nuanced takes, which is exactly why the contrast is so noticeable.

Just an observation.
 
EFCPaul said:
Just attempted to listen to that podcast but as soon as they turned to Everton immediately Christian Purslow goes off on a tangent about how brilliant Kenwright a chairman was and how little influence he had. Dyche and Winter both know that that latter point especially was complete rubbish yet both just nod along.

Turned off and not going back to it.
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He was a brilliant chairman if you wanted to pat Everton on the head, have a laugh, talk nostalgia, and marginalise the club to the nether regions of the league. Everton as an unthreatening football nostalgia museum was a popular concept for our former peers.
 
Listening to him there, he has never managed to escape the “save from relegation “ characterisation, never moved on to battle at the higher ends of the table consistently and look to win silverware. For all the plaudits he receives he hasn’t moved on as a manager, it’s the same routine, firefighter, backs against the wall etc etc.

I don’t think it’s a surprise to hear Bill Kenwright wanted him to manage Everton for years either. For all the talk about how passionate he was , how big a fan he was , the end result was one of constant failure, flatter to deceive and no trophies. Dyche would have suited his mindset of “punching above your weight “ because it’s one of anything else is a bonus which many fell into and keep him as custodian. Another paper over the cracks job like other Everton managers. Do a Burnley at a bigger club basically.
 
Number_25 said:
One thing I find interesting about your posts is that you’re clearly capable of engaging with context when you choose to. When the discussion is around Dyche, you're able to look at the circumstances, weigh the constraints, and arrive at a fairly balanced and supportive conclusion.

That’s why your approach to Moyes stands out so sharply. In those threads the tone shifts from contextual analysis to something much more reactionary, almost as though the conclusion is decided first and the argument comes afterwards. It feels less like the same person who was carefully weighing the situation with Dyche.

It’s a bit puzzling because you’ve already shown you can engage with the deeper context when you want to. So it would be interesting to see that same level of consideration applied consistently, rather than switching to what sometimes reads like blunt demagoguery when Moyes is the subject.

You’re clearly capable of more nuanced takes, which is exactly why the contrast is so noticeable.

Just an observation.
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