Sean Dyche

I'd say the players and the fans did the work in keeping us up, not Dyche. With him at the helm, it was beyond a miracle that we weren't relegated.

Same players and fans had us 19th in Jan 23 with 15 points from 20 games. Was it also the players and fans fault that we had a poor first half of the 24/25 season or is that one all on Dyche? Very convenient argument.
 
Same players and fans had us 19th in Jan 23 with 15 points from 20 games. Was it also the players and fans fault that we had a poor first half of the 24/25 season or is that one all on Dyche? Very convenient argument.

You seem to have decided that all of the positive moments are thanks to Dyche and all of the negatives are on the players, so you tell us.
 
You seem to have decided that all of the positive moments are thanks to Dyche and all of the negatives are on the players, so you tell us.

Not really. Someone’s literally posted position where they’ve said it was the fans and the players nothing to do with Dyche. Just because I’ve refuted that position does not automatically mean I hold the opposite extremes view.

This is why I called you out in the other thread as a complete hypocrite for calling for nuanced shades of grey view points when you just pile in with binary haymakers like this every time you get triggered by a mention of Dyche.
 
Not really. Someone’s literally posted position where they’ve said it was the fans and the players nothing to do with Dyche. Just because I’ve refuted that position does not automatically mean I hold the opposite extremes view.

This is why I called you out in the other thread as a complete hypocrite for calling for nuanced shades of grey view points when you just pile in with binary haymakers like this every time you get triggered by a mention of Dyche.

You’ve confirmed your binary position many, many times. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you acknowledge a fault of Dyche on here, everything is caveated, even the last 6 months is because the players all gave up because they knew his contract was coming to an end.

My position on Dyche has been consistent if anything, I think he’s a rubbish manager and that opinion has been formed over the course of his 15 year career in management up to this point. I also happen to think he’s a tit of a person which gets backed up further by the fact his former players all seem to despise him.

The only people who seem to need caveats and narrative changes are the people who’ve weirdly attached themselves to him in a cult like manner, like the Geordies did with Benitez. He reflects his weird fanbase himself, by turning up in the media every 2 minutes desperate to whitewash another sacking and put asterisks next to it.
 
You’ve confirmed your binary position many, many times. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you acknowledge a fault of Dyche on here, everything is caveated, even the last 6 months is because the players all gave up because they knew his contract was coming to an end.

My position on Dyche has been consistent if anything, I think he’s a rubbish manager and that opinion has been formed over the course of his 15 year career in management up to this point. The only people who seem to need caveats and narrative changes are the people who’ve weirdly attached themselves to him in a cult like manner, like the Geordies did with Benitez. He reflects his weird fanbase himself, by turning up in the media every 2 minutes desperate to whitewash another sacking and put asterisks next to it.

At this point I severely doubt you even read half of what’s actually posted. You’re just like a Pavlov dog, you see Dyche mentioned and you just verbal diarrhoea immediately.

‘Beyond a miracle’ @MikeH72 2023
 
He’s essentially just said that the weight of the Everton job was too big for him, in a roundabout way while still trying to pin it all on the players. Glad he’s finally acknowledged what we all knew anyway.
It's madder than that. A lot madder.

The same players with the same eyes were what was left for Moyes to lift up. Who'd run them down? Why weren't they responding? Why a sudden manager change is the magic bullet?

Who has there been similar in the PL that's been moved on a few times and has sat in the media sniping, mourinho has had a few moans, warnock maybe? I can't remember anyone so readily and regularly piping up with such bile previous.
 
It's madder than that. A lot madder.

The same players with the same eyes were what was left for Moyes to lift up. Who'd run them down? Why weren't they responding? Why a sudden manager change is the magic bullet?

Who has there been similar in the PL that's been moved on a few times and has sat in the media sniping, mourinho has had a few moans, warnock maybe? I can't remember anyone so readily and regularly piping up with such bile previous.

Him coming out and trying to claim credit for the appointment of Moyes is insane. He’s genuinely fully lost the plot.
 
Him coming out and trying to claim credit for the appointment of Moyes is insane. He’s genuinely fully lost the plot.
I think he's channelling dear old Walter. He's read or been told about that era and decided to graft himself into the saviour role with an update.

"You know, it was actually me that talked Dixie into signing..."

If he'd had his fingerprints on the Moyes offer, why wait 14 months to mention it? This man is the equivalent of liz truss.
 
I think he's channelling dear old Walter. He's read or been told about that era and decided to graft himself into the saviour role with an update.

"You know, it was actually me that talked Dixie into signing..."

If he'd had his fingerprints on the Moyes offer, why wait 14 months to mention it? This man is the equivalent of liz truss.

He was waiting to see if Moyes did a good job or not. If he’d failed and been sacked then he’d have never claimed anything to do with it. He’s a complete narcissist of a bloke, Forest fans seem to despise him even more than us.
 

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