Sam Allardyce

[Yarrgh]

Having had chance to reflect on matters, and have a calm and reasoned response to the weekend, I have came to the conclusion that Big Fat Sam can take his gravy riddled carcass and do one.

I always am amazed that managers don't seem to have a long range plan for a season, where they try an get teams ready for individual matches and bring players into form for them, whilst letting others recuperate, but this plan would look for getting a competitive team out for every match whilst balancing that against maximising the number of points you won. ie concentrate on winning on what you can, and have the best available team to cope with the top 6 to get a result there and pull off a few wins. If you did that you might be challenging even with a poor side.

But this game against Arsenal was as someone on this thread pointed out, a complete throwing off the game. I honestly believe that Samosaurus Wrecks bought football and Everton's good name into disrepute on Saturday by going out with nothing. No plan, players -even if they are a bunch of sh**houses for the most at times - were given no chance, fans in the stadium were denied a competitive fixture, even the TV broadcast and reputation of the premier league was harmed to an extent.

He has to go. Mike Walker was at least clueless as a defence, Samosaurus actively went out to not perform and brought the loss on himself. There is no system (especially with all the changes he makes from one team to the next) to even say that the players have a system they can fit into to play consistently. Awful, absolutely awful.

Please remove this man from our club. Have a good hard look at what Walsh is doing. Find someone that can be a balm to the squad - can even a Hiddink do such a job? Look for a long term manager who can meet the demands of Europe and domestic competitions, has a decent 'philosophy' that players can buy into, yet isn't completely rigid in his mind and can get this club back on track. I don't know if this is a Fonseca or a Mancini or whoever. But I hope one has been identified, and the only reason this person is in charge is that the other one is not free to take the reigns yet.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

No, you balloon headed helmet..... you are suited the the clubs you've been at because you are a fraud and a dinosaur of football days gone.

 

[granter79]

Just because you may have seen Everton beat these sides away but I have no recollection of it so obviously may have a different perspective.

Agree with everything else you've said. I've just found it hard since about October time to see any hope for this season, it's been pathetic. Next season I will have a completely different set of expectations and will be far more in line with what you're saying by the way. It also angers me that a side like Bournemouth can turn up at Stamford Bridge and come away with a 3-0 win.

Yes your point regarding Bournemouth echo's everything I mentioned. I had given up on this season too and not really voiced an opinion the last while but this weekend gone just tipped it for me and cant wait for changes from the very top down through the management and players.
Only positive to take is Sam's stock has surely fallen further

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Well I completely missed that...

Silva it is then.

In all seriousness, I'd have Dyche here. I think he's the one to take us forward over the next few years. But, I also get the need to have a 'name' manager who can attract better players to push us on.

We could just pay compensation to Shakhtar for Fonseca Toff, it's not as if we don't like forking out money to bring in, and get rid of managers.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Mate, if Sam gets top 7, he ain't going anywhere.

My horror thought is, if he gets top 14 - he is going nowhere.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Mate, if Sam gets top 7, he ain't going anywhere.

I said it earlier mate, even if he gets an 8th or 9th place finish, the board will see that as justification to let him see out his final year.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Having had chance to reflect on matters, and have a calm and reasoned response to the weekend, I have came to the conclusion that Big Fat Sam can take his gravy riddled carcass and do one.

I always am amazed that managers don't seem to have a long range plan for a season, where they try an get teams ready for individual matches and bring players into form for them, whilst letting others recuperate, but this plan would look for getting a competitive team out for every match whilst balancing that against maximising the number of points you won. ie concentrate on winning on what you can, and have the best available team to cope with the top 6 to get a result there and pull off a few wins. If you did that you might be challenging even with a poor side.

But this game against Arsenal was as someone on this thread pointed out, a complete throwing off the game. I honestly believe that Samosaurus Wrecks bought football and Everton's good name into disrepute on Saturday by going out with nothing. No plan, players -even if they are a bunch of sh**houses for the most at times - were given no chance, fans in the stadium were denied a competitive fixture, even the TV broadcast and reputation of the premier league was harmed to an extent.

He has to go. Mike Walker was at least clueless as a defence, Samosaurus actively went out to not perform and brought the loss on himself. There is no system (especially with all the changes he makes from one team to the next) to even say that the players have a system they can fit into to play consistently. Awful, absolutely awful.

Please remove this man from our club. Have a good hard look at what Walsh is doing. Find someone that can be a balm to the squad - can even a Hiddink do such a job? Look for a long term manager who can meet the demands of Europe and domestic competitions, has a decent 'philosophy' that players can buy into, yet isn't completely rigid in his mind and can get this club back on track. I don't know if this is a Fonseca or a Mancini or whoever. But I hope one has been identified, and the only reason this person is in charge is that the other one is not free to take the reigns yet.

There was a system, copy Swansea.... do what Swansea did. Don't worry about the fact Swansea have a completely different set of players to us or that Arsenal started the game with a different players, we should have been able to stick to Swansea's game plan and get a result. I can only assume Fat Sam is watching Newcastles performance yesterday against Palace taking notes. The man is a joke!

 

[malcson]

My biggest issue with his comments are that they boiled down to, rather than coming up with a plan of our own that is based on the way we want to play football and the players we have at our disposal we came up with "let's copy what Swansea did". I honestly don't know how he had the audacity to use that line of defense, which was essentially the players couldn't play like Swansea did even though that's what we told them to do.

 

[leslad]

No idea if this is true or not but the lad is a good poster

http://members.boardhost.com/peoplesforum/msg/1517748690.html

One other player asked to go on loan earlier in the window and was denied. The subject came up in front of other players, with Allardyce saying he could go permanent but not on loan, the player said something along the lines of 'No, I'll be here for preseason, you wont'

If true, that signals two things for me:

1. that Allardyce wanted to hang out Williams and especially Schneiderlin to dry against Arsenal, after they've asked for loan moves
2. so many first team players wanting out on loan in a single window suggests that the players are not happy at all with the manager

 

[Nymzee]

The funniest quote has to be this one from Allardyce (it also shows the mentality of the man) "Arsenal are weak at the back" then he goes and plays with 7 defensive players.

And lets in 5.

 

[Number_25]

If true, that signals two things for me:

1. that Allardyce wanted to hang out Williams and especially Schneiderlin to dry against Arsenal, after they've asked for loan moves
2. so many first team players wanting out on loan in a single window suggests that the players are not happy at all with the manager

The players have found fault with Martinez Koeman, Unsworth, and Allardyce if that's the case.

Always the managers fault, never the players is it? I really can't stand what we've become as a club.

 

[peteblue]

Surely we have someone on here who can dress up as a fake sheik..........

 

[leslad]

The players have found fault with Martinez Koeman, Unsworth, and Allardyce if that's the case.

Always the managers fault, never the players is it? I really can't stand what we've become as a club.

I agree to be honest, and I think it's partly due to attitude problems of both some of the recent players and staff - from the Mirallas/Schneiderlin thing, players wanting loan moves away and now Allardyce being a coward and playing a crap team and then blaming the players for it on Saturday.

All of these attitude problems are most brutally exposed for all to see though when you compare the rest of the team and staff's attitude to Seamus Coleman's performance the other night. Despite being out with a horrific injury and being faced with a first start in a massive game at Goodison, he puts everything into his performance; teamwork, application and even just a simple willingness and courage to take responsibility in everything he did. Imagine if the rest of them had even a semblance of that.

 

[Walsall Blue]

You still here you fat headed tit. Ffs get out of our club we don't want you here.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

He is just afraid to play away from home isn't he? He has to be replaced in the summer.