Sam Allardyce

[GwladysBlue]

Out of interest, give me 5 players you do rate that we currently have please mate.

Sigurdsson, Walcott, Coleman, Pickford, Keane, Kenny, Lookman, Vlasic and Davies.

 

[Abraders]

Sigurdsson, Walcott, Coleman, Pickford, Keane, Kenny, Lookman, Vlasic and Davies.

Holgate has to be on that list imo

 

[mkrudden]

Sigurdsson, Walcott, Coleman, Pickford, Keane, Kenny, Lookman, Vlasic and Davies.

Thanks mate.
Out of interest, what as Kenny, Lookman and Vlasic done to convince you of their worth that Rooney hasn't?

 

[MikeH72]

Thanks mate.
Out of interest, what as Kenny, Lookman and Vlasic done to convince you of their worth that Rooney hasn't?

Let the Rooney thing go M-dog.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Thanks mate.
Out of interest, what as Kenny, Lookman and Vlasic done to convince you of their worth that Rooney hasn't?

Shown promise at a young age and that they can be of value to the team. Work hard and never shy away, even when not at their best. They haven't swaned around like they own the place, with no positional discipline just whacking balls (and mostly losing it) because they haven't got the pace anymore.

They also haven't got behind the wheel of a car whilst bevied, weeks after claiming that they're here to improve the team.

The man is a washed-up hasbeen who has no place at a club wanting to progress. He is a throwback to the days of Gazza and Ginola.

Man Utd wanted rid of their expensive problem and we've been the mugs to help them out. Ask most neutral fans their opinion on Rooney.

All of that rolled into the fact he completely ditched us at the first opportunity and disrespected the club that made him numerous times whilst at United. We're an absolute joke taking him back.

 

[4737carlin]

Thanks mate.
Out of interest, what as Kenny, Lookman and Vlasic done to convince you of their worth that Rooney hasn't?

I cant believe those who doubted Rooney coming back havent by now admitted they were wrong, his contribution this season has been not only important to our survival but also much better then most thought he could do.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

If you notice though, it is all the older players recently that are backing him (apart from Kenny) younger guys like Lookman, Sandro, Klassen(until his move fell apart) have looked to get away from the club.

Ignoring Tom Davies in the linked article, also Pickford and Kenny. Your absolutely correct!

 

[Yarrgh]

Angling for another undeserved contract like the rest of them. Get out the club, Jags. Far outstayed your welcome here.

Getting sick of the likes of Phil Neville, Osman, Hibbert and now Baines, Jagielka and Williams, stealing a living.

Nowhere near up to the level required.

He might be angling for a contract wherever Fat Scam winds up.

 

[B17BLG]

Shown promise at a young age and that they can be of value to the team. Work hard and never shy away, even when not at their best. They haven't swaned around like they own the place, with no positional discipline just whacking balls (and mostly losing it) because they haven't got the pace anymore.

They also haven't got behind the wheel of a car whilst bevied, weeks after claiming that they're here to improve the team.

The man is a washed-up hasbeen who has no place at a club wanting to progress. He is a throwback to the days of Gazza and Ginola.

Man Utd wanted rid of their expensive problem and we've been the mugs to help them out. Ask most neutral fans their opinion on Rooney.

All of that rolled into the fact he completely ditched us at the first opportunity and disrespected the club that made him numerous times whilst at United. We're an absolute joke taking him back.

So Rooney didn't show promise at a young age....interesting

 

[ToffeeTim]

SACK

 

[peteblue]

What is it, 11 games to go then we can see the back of this guy.......

 

[Nyhus]

So Rooney didn't show promise at a young age....interesting

Cant see the relevance given his current age. I wholly agree with GwladysBlue's assessment of him.

 

[GwladysBlue]

So Rooney didn't show promise at a young age....interesting

He ditched us then. What Rooney was like in 2003 doesn’t have any relevance to the flump we currently have, does it?

 

[bluestevon]

I saw that table of how much a squad took to assemble where we were 10th in the world. There are obvious caveats, in a world where football inflation has not just been growing by accelerating rapidly over the last 2 years when we've bought it isn't as clear cut as it shows, but we are the odd name out of the top 15/20. Pretty much every other team is either challenging for titles in their league or challenging for European glory. None are in relegation trouble.

You can look at this two ways. Firstly that we have made an enormous mess of the last 2 years. Everyone understands that but nobody quite knows exactly where to point the finger. In all honesty all of them have to accept some culpability and nobody at the club could complain if they were removed. There's no shortage of criticism, and in many ways we are growing desensitised to just what a mess we've made. You could well make a case this has been the biggest waste of money in our clubs history. It is also one of the worst waste of money in PL history.

That being said, they are not terrible players. We may have overpaid but part of the issue is bad management and coaches who have wanted to constantly buy new players and harshly discard others.

The other way to view this is that we can't keep getting it wrong, and if the investment we have had can be sustained for another 2-3 windows, a decent young coach is brought in and a sense of stability given, the potential to turn the situation around is enormous because we have made such a mess of things. Get the best from this squad and recruit sensibly and we can get close to the top 4 quite quickly in my view. We are nearly 7th having had an abysmal season, where it's hard to pinpoint a single player who I'd say has been "alright" this season. Holgate? Pickford? Niasse? More to come from the first 2 as well, never mind the rest.

Ultimately if you have a squad which is in the top 10 most expensively assembled squads, eventually you get it right and compete for honours. It's almost impossible not too. Thats without getting the structure right, which I live in hope we will do come the summer (though not expectation!)

I look at the sides above us. Arsenal could go into transition post Wenger. Spurs I think will fall back, as they begin to lose players and have to fund a stadium that will be 2-3 x more expensive than hours without a sweetheart loan deal that we've acquired. Chelsea I also think are showing signs they will fall away. They can't outbid teams anymore and I wonder if they can recover from this slump? Again ground development may have to be paid for from transfers. LFC have a similar issue, to help pay for the Anfield Road redevelopment.

The major issue we have had is s simple one, a club whose fans have a specific sense of what they want to see played, an owner who wants a certain style, a dof who I'm lost if I can understand what style he wants, and managers who have not fitted as by of the above systems.

In short a mess, need the owner to decide what he wants, to bring in a dof who can match that, and whose job it is to not only recruit the players to match that vision, but a manager or rather a manager template we stick with, who fits the system and the players who are recruited for that style of play.

So no bouncing from a Martinez to koeman to wanting a Silva and then getting allardyce. Because frankly that's a recipe for disaster.

A managerial shortlist of 4-5 candidates for example shouldn't read like a whose who or hotch potch of whose available etc, it should be a set of managers who share at least a similar ethos etc


Be that whatever style you want.

Each manager going falls into one of about 5-6 styles, be that the high press types like klopp and pocch, the possession ones like pep, Wenger, Martinez etc, the physical defensive minded like mourinho, simeone, and to a much lesser extent Moyes etc, the ones who play a variant of possession and the pressing game with a fast counter game like Fonseca, Tuchel etc.

Pick a list and don't vary from the long term strategy the club wants to implement.

 

[davek]

The major issue we have had is s simple one, a club whose fans have a specific sense of what they want to see played, an owner who wants a certain style, a dof who I'm lost if I can understand what style he wants, and managers who have not fitted as by of the above systems.

In short a mess, need the owner to decide what he wants, to bring in a dof who can match that, and whose job it is to not only recruit the players to match that vision, but a manager or rather a manager template we stick with, who fits the system and the players who are recruited for that style of play.

So no bouncing from a Martinez to koeman to wanting a Silva and then getting allardyce. Because frankly that's a recipe for disaster.

A managerial shortlist of 4-5 candidates for example shouldn't read like a whose who or hotch potch of whose available etc, it should be a set of managers who share at least a similar ethos etc


Be that whatever style you want.

Each manager going falls into one of about 5-6 styles, be that the high press types like klopp and pocch, the possession ones like pep, Wenger, Martinez etc, the physical defensive minded like mourinho, simeone, and to a much lesser extent Moyes etc, the ones who play a variant of possession and the pressing game with a fast counter game like Fonseca, Tuchel etc.

Pick a list and don't vary from the long term strategy the club wants to implement.

This all day long.

But I'm 100% certain we wont get that approach because the feller now calling the shots is daft as a 'kin brush.