Sam Allardyce

[windymiller]

Yeah agreed.

Like it has been by and large for years.

Its crap, I am not "accepting it" but it did not surprise me in the slightest as it is totally par for the course.

It was yet another rubbish showing from an Everton side against better opposition. Throw it on the massive pile of other such performances.

It is surely the job of our manager to at least attempt to change this pattern of performances though? Whilst we had some awful hidings under other managers you could at least see what they were trying to do, Allardyce accepted that loss, and I'm guessing he'll do the same this coming weekend, which is why I can't stand him. He has deliberately tanked at least four games this season as far as I'm concerned so that we can pick up results against lower opposition, some people will laud that as clever management but I believe we should be at least trying to win every game we play.

 

[brieverton]

I can't understand the surrender mentality especially at home and why there can't be a reasonable balance between setting out to have a genuine go and the other extreme, which we specialise in, of meekly offering up the game to the opponent.

With the gulf in class, we might play City ten times at home and win once or twice but those odds are better than a solid 0% playing like we did on Saturday.

Nobody wants a hammering as a result of a gung-ho approach, but City could have scored another three or four anyway had they decided to bother for the second half.

I just don't get Allardyce's approach to these games - a win could have a huge knock-on effect on confidence and clearly would do no harm to his prospects of staying. I thought these games would be tailor made for him to prove his credentials as he seems them - nobody expects us to win regularly against the top six any more but even one good result and some tokens of encouragement in the other games would have been something.

Instead he acts as if he has already been told the game is up. I can't accept a defence that our form against the top six was largely no better under other managers - if that's the yardstick then honestly we might as well all pack up and take an interest in something else.

I expected him to keep us up - but that was the minimum requirement. I have no issue with him on a personal level so would have been happy to give him another year if there were enough signs of progression - but there has not been any. He is paid well enough and his job is to find solutions to problems, within reasonable limits.

 

[windymiller]

No not just the manager, this is what I am saying.

The club is defeatist. From top to bottom. Has been for aeons now, it is nothing new in the slightest but people are acting like we were regularly having a go at the big boys before Allardyce got here and that's just not true.

Allardyce is certainly not helping but he is not the overall problem merely part of it. It is way more deep rooted than that.

I don't even think it was our worst performance of the season. Think about that for a minute!

There's been so many dreadful performances this season that it is hard to rank them! One thing is sure, the rot definitely won't stop with Allardyce in charge.

 

[Sharpattack]

He's still here then? Every time I look at this thread I think I'm going to read that he's been dumped, and every time it ends in disappointment

 

[bcblue1878]

He can only work with the players he has got, he needs time to rebuild this team & get rid of the players he does not want to expect him to turn it round in 4.5 months is totally unreasonable...

The top six are better teams than us ATM so it was not surprising we struggled against these teams..

Any manager coming in will need time, we can not keep sacking our managers on knee jerk reactions we have to give them time to build a team....

Fair play Marcus you do keep trying!

But with the best squad he has ever inherited - your words not mine! - why have we also struggled against the likes of Bournemouth, West Brom (twice) and Watford!

As I said on here just after he was appointed I used to laugh at Newcastle and West Ham fans who wanted him out of their clubs, now having seen the way he goes about things, sets teams up and his total lack of personal responsibility I have to admit to a degree of sympathy with what they went through!

I for one cannot wait until I see the "breaking news" banner scrolling across the bottom of the screen on Sky Sports News "Allardyce leaves Everton"!

 

[blueblue]

He managed England and they had to sack him after one match.

Because he was stupid(or drunk ) enough to get caught on camera.
Do you honestly believe that deals involving tens of millions do not include a "sweetener " for the buying and selling managers. Sam got caught, it could have been any one.

 

[RobC]

Who is supporting him mate?

He has his apologists on here but there are other places that discuss us were some defend him and not to mention his mates in the media - "He's done what was expected". Said it ages ago but we were never going down before the Messiah came, have you seen the state of this years PL ? With his constant references to relegation he has brainwashed some into believing we were stranded at the bottom but somehow he turned it around with masterful tactics that only 30+ years (without winning anything) enable you to do.

 

[Sir Alan]

I think for the Newcastle and Southampton game we make it clear we don’t want him here.

I am still scared he will be here come August

 

[RobC]

Because he was stupid(or drunk ) enough to get caught on camera.
Do you honestly believe that deals involving tens of millions do not include a "sweetener " for the buying and selling managers. Sam got caught, it could have been any one.

If everyones at it (as if they are and BTW what a defence) then why are so few caught ?

What does it make this knob look like since he got caught ?

 

[Papa Shango]

He has his apologists on here but there are other places that discuss us were some defend him and not to mention his mates in the media - "He's done what was expected". Said it ages ago but we were never going down before the Messiah came, have you seen the state of this years PL ? With his constant references to relegation he has brainwashed some into believing we were stranded at the bottom but somehow he turned it around with masterful tactics that only 30+ years (without winning anything) enable you to do.

In my opinion e looked utterly doomed when he got here, couldn't score goals, couldn't keep clean sheets. In a tight league like this season we could easily have got ourselves in a right mess. You say have I seen the state of the PL this year? I have. Have you seen the state of us?

When he came in he got points on the board that lifted us above the mess. I am grateful for that to be honest. Doesn't mean I want him to stay or that he is the right man going forward etc. He will be gone in the summer. No matter what he says for next season or how many fans worry that he will stay here he wont be. So in the meantime I don't see what we gain from having a go at him all the time when he is doing nothing that past managers for us have done (Martinez being the exception but he was rubbish in another way towards the end).

Personally I think we should just get on with it until the summer. I don't "care" about the City game as it was nothing new to me, seen it all before. I have also seen us struggle against sides that we "should be beating" under all sorts of managers, not just Allardyce.

 

[Papa Shango]

I think for the Newcastle and Southampton game we make it clear we don’t want him here.

I am still scared he will be here come August

The people in charge will be more than aware of it.

Why make ourselves look like knob heads on a national level?

He wont be here in August barring a disaster.

 

[Blues Harp]

I think for the Newcastle and Southampton game we make it clear we don’t want him here.

I am still scared he will be here come August

Do you seriously think our board give a toss about what the fans think? Once this week is over and then season ticket sales are completed they will be laughing at us and we will be miles away from appointing a new manager imo

 

[Papa Shango]

There's been so many dreadful performances this season that it is hard to rank them! One thing is sure, the rot definitely won't stop with Allardyce in charge.

Aye, that Southampton game took some beating though. Actually both Arsenal games too...Atalanta.... ugh. What a season.

I think the main problem we have going forward is the next manager has to be right. We have got ourselves in a position where we second guess everything these days and every perceived slight on a manager gets intensified as soon as we go on a bad run. Martinez was relegated, Koeman sees us as a stepping stone etc etc.

For me this puts us in an awkward position. Silva has a relegation on his CV (Which WILL be used against him if we lose a couple on the bounce), Sean Dyche will be put in the Allardyce category (for some reason), Howe has "never done it at a big club" and is "poor defensively", people like Benitez and Rodgers (who have been mentioned for some reason) have RS connections etc, the next man simply has to be someone that everyone can get behind from the off. Even Fonseca (Who is probably the best bet in terms of not having as many skeletons in his footballing closet) will get stuff like 10 clubs in 11 years and "only done it in the Ukraine" thrown at him if things don't go well at first.

Sod it, just give it to Joe Royle.

 

[Papa Shango]

Do you seriously think our board give a toss about what the fans think? Once this week is over and then season ticket sales are completed they will be laughing at us and we will be miles away from appointing a new manager imo

Is this the same club who is currently running an unprecedented series of meetings with fans regarding the new ground?

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

In my opinion we looked utterly doomed when he got here, couldn't score goals, couldn't keep clean sheets. In a tight league like this season we could easily have got ourselves in a right mess. You say have I seen the state of the PL this year? I have. Have you seen the state of us?

When he came in he got points on the board that lifted us above the mess. I am grateful for that to be honest. Doesn't mean I want him to stay or that he is the right man going forward etc.

This I'm afraid

I said at the time that if he got us safe the narrative would turn to "We were never in trouble", but we definitely were. He got us to 40 points, so it's "job done" for him really

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/sam-allardyce.100793/page-14#post-5967231

That being said, I want him gone the minute the season ends