hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
I think the argument there was Moyes’s team got 7th and 6th before RM took over, in theory he got a more solid base, while Koeman inherited a proven bottom half team?
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I think the argument there was Moyes’s team got 7th and 6th before RM took over, in theory he got a more solid base, while Koeman inherited a proven bottom half team?
orly
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To be fair, he hadn't spent £200m total until he had been here a year, and he did recover a lot of that (nearly £150m from two players).
Blackwell Livermore
Player Valuation: £8m
Absolutely. And we're spared what would have been the dross of a third season like the one we had with Martinez.
Boss_Blue
I will find you and consensually bum you
Can't argue with that.
Boss_Blue
I will find you and consensually bum you
I can argue with this though.
Martinez was sacked because we were massively underachieving - we certainly were not a proven bottom half team (on paper at least).
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...I dont understand.
I think we are all agreed, they both had massive flaws, Koemans became more apparent this season.
Now if we had a manager with Martinez's attacking mind and Koeman's structure defensively.................................................................................we would probably still be a load of old poop.
For me they had equal lows in their time here. But the highs were simply higher with Martinez. It's not even debatable for me.
How far back do we need to go before you find a manager you were happy with ?
Ronertald Marterman
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
I believe the patience on Martinez was a lot longer if you compare that with Koeman’s time...maybe due to Bill being the main man until Moshiri became the majority shareholder. I truly believe 7th is now the minimum requirement in the league given Moshiri’s action for pulling the trigger twice when things getting nasty on and off the pitch. That’s show the board is aiming to break the usual top 6 scenario. Nevertheless, both the board, the former manager and the players...a combination of those did not do enough, yet.
And of course we did recoup most money (Lukaku) back but Koeman spent a lot of money on papers in Everton terms but we are in the bottom 3 after 9 games thus the sacking happened. And rightly so.
Results and league positions did show we were a bottom half team between 2014-2016 but I do agree the team, in particular the first 11 at the time, was better on paper.
frodshamdave
Player Valuation: £225k
Tough one for me, i never wanted Martinez and he proved why. Koeman was my first choice, i was wrong. Martinez had a good 1st season and did manage to impose his style on us and it worked to start, albeit with a good solid Moyes team. Koeman didnt do much except make us a bit more solid after Martinez. Then this year happend after the loss of Rom. Martinez edges it for me. Only just though, and maybe as much as i didnt like him, i appreciated he seemed to enjoy thw club and the history and being part of it, Koeman never felt part of us.
Might not have been a 'hiding' but watching Everton lose 2-0 to Hull which was something like 5 losses on the bounce was very low. The Dynamo Kiev 5-2 for how bad Alcaraz was that day.
Loved the possibilities I thought were there under Martinez, he demonstrated it in the first season, but I think Koeman is a better manager (despite his horrible start to this season).
Almost forgot the Kiev game, that one was such a pain to watch
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