Roberto Martinez Shenanigans: All Reaction Here

[steken1]

Thing is though when you're Wigan every side is bigger. He was winning against bigger clubs 9-11 times a season.

His cavalier might serve us better at tough grounds. It might work out that Moyes conservatism was the better plan all along. I'm right up for finding out though.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

I don't think you can read anything into this though.
Teams like Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool etc view us as a rival and will prepare properly for the game as it is a big contest making it much harder to go away from home and win.
Wigan could be seen as an easy 3 points and so sometimes a lack of focus is given.
Many of our fans had already booked hotels in London for the Semi-final this year such was the disregard shown to Wigan as a case in point. Also the DW is the least indimidating stadium you could hope to visit. The place is half empty too so I am not suprised that their Home record is not as strong as the rest of the league.

 

[Brennan]

I don't think you can read anything into this though.
Teams like Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool etc view us as a rival and will prepare properly for the game as it is a big contest making it much harder to go away from home and win.
Wigan could be seen as an easy 3 points and so sometimes a lack of focus is given.
Many of our fans had already booked hotels in London for the Semi-final this year such was the disregard shown to Wigan as a case in point. Also the DW is the least indimidating stadium you could hope to visit. The place is half empty too so I am not suprised that their Home record is not as strong as the rest of the league.

Poor argument because Wigan have a massively poorer side, which more than makes up for any (debatable) lack of effort from the home team.

 

[Greek Fisherman]

Has Martinez proven that at this level? Define "get it winning again"

What concerns me is that he had 4yrs worth of transfer windows to fix Wigan, 4yrs of starring at relegation.. and ultimately he failed.

 

[Khalekan]

Good point, Darth.

Great point in fact.

We make Goodison a difficult place for teams to visit as much as the team.

Wigan is almost like a home game for any of the big four north west teams and I daresay for the likes of Villa, Newcastle etc.

 

[Allezfan]

Has Martinez proven that at this level? Define "get it winning again"

In the 2011-12 season, they went from losing 8 in a row, to winning 7 out of 9.

That showed he fixed that particular side. When di matteo's west brom went into a slide he just couldn't get them winning again, martinez has shown he can do that.

 

[mill]

I hate the moyes, never won away to big club stuff.
As an example, based on the last 5 seasons, there is a 7% chance that anyone will win at old Trafford.
At to that the probability that the team that wins is us and its pretty slim.
The lose just over one game a season at home on average.
Other clubs will have decent stats at home.
Basically it's just people looking at the wrong stats.

 

[Greek Fisherman]

In the 2011-12 season, they went from losing 8 in a row, to winning 7 out of 9.

That showed he fixed that particular side. When di matteo's west brom went into a slide he just couldn't get them winning again, martinez has shown he can do that.

Fair enough... Losing 8 in row *shivers*

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

To me that counts in his favour. One of the things I hold against the likes of di matteo is they've never shown the ability to take a losing team and get it winning again.

Moyes could and Martinez can too.

I'm slightly old fashioned, I'd prefer to see a manager who was capable of putting a side together that was capable of stopping a run of defeats before it hit 8.

I remember their visit to Goodison near the start of that run & we were playing like drains at the time - but they made us look good, as they were one of the worst top flight sides I'd ever seen at Goodison. They were trying to play from the back with players that were yard dogs & simply incapable of doing so, & it was embarrassing to watch at times, as they kept getting caught in possession.

Martinez strikes me as the kind of manager (a la Rodgers) that rates the performance ahead of the result. I fear we're in for a bumpy ride over the next year or 2.

 

[Khalekan]

I hate the moyes, never won away to big club stuff.
As an example, based on the last 5 seasons, there is a 7% chance that anyone will win at old Trafford.
At to that the probability that the team that wins is us and its pretty slim.
The lose just over one game a season at home on average.
Other clubs will have decent stats at home.
Basically it's just people looking at the wrong stats.

No, just people looking at the stats you are uncomfortable with.

 

[MACCA75]

In the 2011-12 season, they went from losing 8 in a row, to winning 7 out of 9.


That showed he fixed that particular
side. When di matteo's west brom went into a slide he just couldn't get
them winning again, martinez has
shown he can do that.

Di Matteo couldnt get them winning again because he was sacked. I dare say he would have given the same time scale Martinez got

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

Poor argument because Wigan have a massively poorer side, which more than makes up for any (debatable) lack of effort from the home team.

The point isn't just about the Team. I see it as the club as a whole.
How fired up as a fan are you for a League game against Spurs/Liverpool vs a game against Wigan/Norwich for example?

 

[EFC Si]

Good point, Darth.

Great point in fact.

We make Goodison a difficult place for teams to visit as much as the team.

Wigan is almost like a home game for any of the big four north west teams and I daresay for the likes of Villa, Newcastle etc.

Bear in mind no recognised player would actually want to move to Wigan. People forgetting he did well with Swansea too

 

[Allezfan]

I'm slightly old fashioned, I'd prefer to see a manager who was capable of putting a side together that was capable of stopping a run of defeats before it hit 8.

I remember their visit to Goodison near the start of that run & we were playing like drains at the time - but they made us look good, as they were one of the worst top flight sides I'd ever seen at Goodison. They were trying to play from the back with players that were yard dogs & simply incapable of doing so, & it was embarrassing to watch at times, as they kept getting caught in possession.

Martinez strikes me as the kind of manager (a la Rodgers) that rates the performance ahead of the result. I fear we're in for a bumpy ride over the next year or 2.

We all know wigan are crap. Martinez ultimately failed to build a good enough team there, fair enough.

But I think there are positive signs in the job he did there, that suggest that he could do better with better players.

 

[Phenom]

Can't wait to win the possession.