Riots in Ukraine

[davek]

Obama set to speak right now in emergency Ukraine statement.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Russia hold all the aces here. The west have backed a loser.

not true. putin is having a loser in his mansion.

 

[davek]

Brown stuff just got very real.

 

[TheFinnFan]

buid a wall. let ruskies have their own peeps in the other side. soon enought they would be fleeing into the other side just like history once showed us.

 

[noharmdone]

Ironically there is a programme on BBC 2 right now where someone is quoted as using exactly this argument, in the summer of 1914.

It's a tough call for whoever makes it.
Money is the key this time though.. Deaths are not.

 

[tsubaki]

Russia hold all the aces here. The west have backed a loser.

That is what RT would like you to think, but the fact is that its Putin's boy who has been kicked out. Even if they do end up taking over Crimea (which is Russian anyway, or at least has been since WW2) then all that will do is ensure that the rest of Ukraine is much less likely to follow what Moscow says.

 

[TheFinnFan]

it is clear that ruskies are trying to provoke a war here, just like in georgia

 

[tsubaki]

It's a tough call for whoever makes it.
Money is the key this time though.. Deaths are not.

Perhaps, but we are in the (usually historically unpleasant) state of affairs where none of the main actors have actual experience of an actual war. Add to that the usual level of human idiocy and these are dangerous times.

 

[tsubaki]

it is clear that ruskies are trying to provoke a war here, just like in georgia

They arent though - this (as Georgia did) just shows the weakness of the Putin regime, especially when viewed against his predecessors.

 

[davek]

That is what RT would like you to think, but the fact is that its Putin's boy who has been kicked out. Even if they do end up taking over Crimea (which is Russian anyway, or at least has been since WW2) then all that will do is ensure that the rest of Ukraine is much less likely to follow what Moscow says.

And Ukraine's energy supplies? How do they get that sorted? It'd take a new Berlin airlift....and many western nations would be affected by gas being turned off.

 

[noharmdone]

Perhaps, but we are in the (usually historically unpleasant) state of affairs where none of the main actors have actual experience of an actual war. Add to that the usual level of human idiocy and these are dangerous times.

You seem pretty clued up.. I'm only talking from personal experience having been involved in Kosevo.
Tarring with the same brush.. Mmm.. Probably.
Nasty bastards and I'd try my best to swerve it would be my angle.

 

[tsubaki]

And Ukraine's energy supplies? How do they get that sorted? It'd take a new Berlin airlift....and many western nations would be affected by gas being turned off.

In the short term yes, but all that would happen is that we would buy our oil and gas from someone else. Putin would be left with all of his gas and none of our money.

 

[davek]

In the short term yes, but all that would happen is that we would buy our oil and gas from someone else. Putin would be left with all of his gas and none of our money.

Imagine the effect on global economic recovery after the crash!

If this thing goes to the point where energy supplies are affected we can kiss goodbye to ending this depression we're apparently coming out of.

22:04:
The S&P 500 index in New York ended at another record close on Friday but well off the day's highs as worries about tensions in Ukraine caused investors to take profits ahead of the weekend, Reuters reports. "There's chatter about Russia's (involvement) in the Ukraine, and that's getting people all jittery,"

 

[tsubaki]

Imagine the effect on global economic recovery after the crash!

If this thing goes to the point where energy supplies are affected we can kiss goodbye to ending this depression we're apparently coming out of.

22:04:
The S&P 500 index in New York ended at another record close on Friday but well off the day's highs as worries about tensions in Ukraine caused investors to take profits ahead of the weekend, Reuters reports. "There's chatter about Russia's (involvement) in the Ukraine, and that's getting people all jittery,"

The thing is though that we waste a huge proportion of the energy we consume, so a reduction in supply would be much easier for the West (especially given the time of year) to cope with than a state that is utterly dependent on its sales of energy as Russia is.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

before we damn the Russians here, just remember the Falklands. There are many ethnic Russians, Russian service personnel and infrastructure located in Crimea, surely Moscow is simply acting to protect their interests?