Riots in Ukraine

[peteblue]

Only to teach her a lesson.

Oh yeah, obviously.......

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

Pot calling the kettle black mate, unless you really don't have any idea about just how many different countries the UK and USA have interfered in over the past 69 years like. Just as a side note though you do realise the only people actually killed so far in the Ukraine have been Ukranians killed by other Ukranians mate?

Of course. I don't deny that. It's going to be a big problem; US is waning and we, Europe, are in the twilight of our prosperity. We cultivated a mess for ourselves by enforcing these grand, inherent, universal laws to international relations and they were great and the system for their enforcement is as good as can be without a military arm to it; but then the nations in the upper echelons decided the very rules they were advocating and enforcing didn't apply to them. That's all well and good when you hold all the aces and can intimidate other nations into silence - as Russia are attempting - but when you're vulnerable and the time comes you need to rely on said laws and said institutions, what respect are other nations likely to give them? That's a fair question.

I mean to many other nations, there will be little for them to distinguish between the USA entering Iraq and the Russians entering Ukraine. But that doesn't make Russia's actions any less dangerous or any less important to defy.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Apparently there's been a leaked phone call between the Estonian Foreign Minister and the EU's High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. In the call it's claimed that the snipers firing on protesters were actually employed by the then opposition. No idea if the call is genuine though.

 

[magicjuan]

Apparently there's been a leaked phone call between the Estonian Foreign Minister and the EU's High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. In the call it's claimed that the snipers firing on protesters were actually employed by the then opposition. No idea if the call is genuine though.

'Sources' have confirmed It as genuine, depends on which 'sources' you trust

 

[Roger Milla]

America showed weakness by not bombing Syria like it said it would over the using chemical weapons on its own people. Maybe if it done that Russia may have thought twice over this.

 

[Billy Dean]

America showed weakness by not bombing Syria like it said it would over the using chemical weapons on its own people. Maybe if it done that Russia may have thought twice over this.

Yes, America should've bombed Syria because....Syria bombed itself. Great logic.

 

[Roger Milla]

Yes, America should've bombed Syria because....Syria bombed itself. Great logic.

Very facetious.

Bombed the Syrian Government targets. Better? Muppet

 

[magicjuan]

Very facetious.

Bombed the Syrian Government targets. Better? Muppet

Should it bomb Saudi Arabia too? How about Israel?
America did enough helping to destabilise Syria, and the damage is evident for all to see.
If bombing is the answer every time then its no wonder the world is in the state it is

 

[SerenityNigh]

America did enough helping to destabilise Syria, and the damage is evident for all to see.

You've been drinking too much Kool-Aid

 

[TheFinnFan]

They are trying to pull a geopolitical-highjack here. Theyve successfully pressured Crimean authorities, they want to vote if they want to be part of ruskieland

 

[peteblue]

They are trying to pull a geopolitical-highjack here. Theyve successfully pressured Crimean authorities, they want to vote if they want to be part of ruskieland

Of course. Russia was always going to take Crimea back....

 

[TheFinnFan]

Of course. Russia was always going to take Crimea back....

yes it was clear from the start

 

[peteblue]

yes it was clear from the start

And it's a good solution to be fair. Russia was never going to give up it's base in Sevastopol or allow the surrounding area to be aligned with the EU and NATO. As long as they don't attempt the same trick on the eastern parts of the Ukraine, which would provoke armed conflict, it will all work out to everyones satisfaction......

 

[magicjuan]

You've been drinking too much Kool-Aid

How? Do you discount the US funding for the opposition in Syria, or the encouragement, similar to other mid east countries? This has got America all over it, ill judged, mis timed and backfiring, probably with the collusion of the EU finance houses too.
This is an economic battle in a war of resources and alluded to in the Grand Chessboard by Zibigniew Brzinski years ago

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

America showed weakness by not bombing Syria like it said it would over the using chemical weapons on its own people. Maybe if it done that Russia may have thought twice over this.

I disagree, the US isn't going to risk nuclear war over Ukraine, and a good part of the EU is dependent on Russian gas and money, including the UK.
Putin knew full well that there would be no real retaliation to his invasion.