Current Affairs Rail strikes

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Should stop working thereby cause even further hardship to those covering for us who are worse off because there are others better off.....Whilst at the same time expect the whole country to support our actions.

Well nobody asked for anyone to "cover" (probably really badly) them.

They're asking for fair pay. They dont get all the perks that squaddies get, and actually do essential work like keeping people alive.

Your attitude is disgusting really. What on earth have you done that's comparable to what our blessed nurses have done? Dont ever try and make a comparison to them.
 
Well nobody asked for anyone to "cover" (probably really badly) them.

They're asking for fair pay. They dont get all the perks that squaddies get, and actually do essential work like keeping people alive.

Your attitude is disgusting really. What on earth have you done that's comparable to what our blessed nurses have done? Dont ever try and make a comparison to them.
Not just fair pay but safe working conditions as well.
 
The barracks weren't exactly comfortable in the raf, when we were at army bases for exercises or training it felt like going back to the Ritz afterwards.

I suppose the thing with armed forces pay is that everything is done for you and taken from your pay. Accommodation is fairly negligible as I recall, the biggest cost was for mess fees for food which was a couple hundred I think?

Apart from any bills you create yourself there is nothing else to pay. We all lived like drunken kings for a week, maybe two and after spending literally every penny we had you never had to worry about rent, bills or food just eating in the mess every meal and sneaking fruit and sandwiches in our pockets because it's an offence to take food out of the mess and there's always a jobsworth who'd like to pull you up over an apple.

Trouble is that as many have found I left the forces with literally no idea how to pay bills, how council tax works, how to budget. I can't blame the forces completely obviously but there's a complete culture change when you leave. I was only in just under 5 years and didn't have any social problems readjusting however like prison, it's a similar it's a different world with structure, rules and regs. I can very easily see how someone doing the full 22 could feel completely isolated and uncertain about life in civvy street, there was no support offered when I left, I hope this is something that has been rectified these days.
Managing money is a big problem for many ex-forces in my experience. A lot of debt issues especially. Always a bugbear of mine that charities like the British legion etc have to pick up the pieces for people after they’ve served the forces.
 
Well maybe they shouldnt break the strikes and drive down wages for everyone? Just an idea like.

I'd rather have a qualified nurse of ambulance driver doing the job, than some unqualified squaddie who doesnt have the skills to do it.

They are skilled professions. They keep us all alive. They do an essential job. The squaddies should think about that a bit.

None of us asked to cover the strikes, we were told to do it in the interest of public safety. In the same way the lads and girls are also covering border control and the imminent firefighter strikes.

It’s indicative of the situation we are in now, more and more public services are becoming sick of the government and deciding striking is the only way to improve their package. Unfortunately, in these situations the armed forces are having to pick up the pieces, again.
 
Managing money is a big problem for many ex-forces in my experience. A lot of debt issues especially. Always a bugbear of mine that charities like the British legion etc have to pick up the pieces for people after they’ve served the forces.

Quite often it’s down to how easy it is to get housing from the military. I know people who have been in the RAF for over 30 years and have always lived in service accommodation. They have no grasp of how much is costs to buy a house, pay full bills and council tax. Yet if you went to their service digs, they’re the ones with the brand new car, 90 inch telly and all the gadgets in their house.

It is getting a bit better as more personnel are encouraged to buy property whilst serving, but there are still the odd few that get caught up in the service life and don’t know how to live in the real world.
 
Spare a thought for the Army guys picking up the downed tools as a result of strike action anybody?

Salary for a squaddie £20k PA. 18k below national average
Armed forces charity the SSFA reporting rising food poverty amongst serving personnel
Many have served this country for years and years
Risked their lives by stepping in to cover essential roles during the pandemic
Leave cancelled for many this xmas
Not allowed to strike

47 pages in....no didn't think so. Some are more equal than others.
You’re not wrong .

They’re been used as a stick to beat those on industrial action with as well . Often in terms wage comparison when it should beg the question “why don’t we pay service personnel more” ? Or as in the case of border staff to say they’re doing the job faster . This is not a criticism at all but in the latter case the speed we’ve seen is because , I’m told , they’re often primarily doing a straight comparison to the picture rather than more in depth computerised checks that are part of border forces work . Understandable given they’ve been dropped last minute into a role .
 
None of us asked to cover the strikes, we were told to do it in the interest of public safety. In the same way the lads and girls are also covering border control and the imminent firefighter strikes.

It’s indicative of the situation we are in now, more and more public services are becoming sick of the government and deciding striking is the only way to improve their package. Unfortunately, in these situations the armed forces are having to pick up the pieces, again.

But my gripe is about the fella on here, wanting gratitude for "covering" the work of nurses from them. Why on earth do they owe anyone gratitude? Particularly people who are making it harder for them to get a fair pay deal, or decent working conditions?

The government are letting these strikes go on, and attitudes like that expressed dont help that situation at all.

It's also worth saying, people can just say no. It's not appropriate and it's not safe.
 
But my gripe is about the fella on here, wanting gratitude for "covering" the work of nurses from them. Why on earth do they owe anyone gratitude? Particularly people who are making it harder for them to get a fair pay deal, or decent working conditions?

The government are letting these strikes go on, and attitudes like that expressed dont help that situation at all.

It's also worth saying, people can just say no. It's not appropriate and it's not safe.
I in the case of coppers covering ambulance strikes for overtime then they can say no. If I’ve got your context and you’re talking about the military covering , can they say no ? It’s a lawful order
 
But my gripe is about the fella on here, wanting gratitude for "covering" the work of nurses from them. Why on earth do they owe anyone gratitude? Particularly people who are making it harder for them to get a fair pay deal, or decent working conditions?

The government are letting these strikes go on, and attitudes like that expressed dont help that situation at all.

It's also worth saying, people can just say no. It's not appropriate and it's not safe.
Isn't it equally bizarre to be lauding those who are deliberately inconveniencing, or in some cases directly harming, people who have absolutely nothing to do with their dispute with their employer?

It's one thing to support those who want to get paid more, but their method of doing so stinks imo.
 
Isn't it equally bizarre to be lauding those who are deliberately inconveniencing, or in some cases directly harming, people who have absolutely nothing to do with their dispute with their employer?

It's one thing to support those who want to get paid more, but their method of doing so stinks imo.

Ok, so how would you propose they ensure they dont take a pay cut then? What's your solution to this dilemma, to get this government to do right by them?

I'm all ears.
 
Ok, so how would you propose they ensure they dont take a pay cut then? What's your solution to this dilemma, to get this government to do right by them?

I'm all ears.

I think a decent start would be to know the precise details of the whole issue. From both sides. Who has offered what in return for whatever, that sort of thing. Its very rare that a pay dispute is as cut and dried as you seem to want an answer to.

Not taking sides, the rail strikes dont impact me in any way. The nurses/ambulance drivers? Different gravy imo.
 
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