Current Affairs Race wars, neo-nazis and other unpleasantness

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Gilbert.. said:
A lot of countries have that issue with Racism. There is def a demographic age range here right now that grew up in "white England" and you see lots of those in these groups. Im probably in or around that age where you remember programmes like love thy neighbour. Mind your language. Alf garnett etc. Although writers like johnny speight insisted his characters were there to be ridiculed he also admitted many of the audience never took it that way.
Very complexed subject but i do feel lots have been moulded into how they think and behave by the power of television. Thats now being switched to social media.
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I’m probably that age myself as I remember those programs , both the Everton fan base and town back in the late 70’s early 80’s was with the very odd exception white and my area was white . I still find it mad but you’re probably right
 
Gilbert.. said:
A lot of countries have that issue with Racism. There is def a demographic age range here right now that grew up in "white England" and you see lots of those in these groups. Im probably in or around that age where you remember programmes like love thy neighbour. Mind your language. Alf garnett etc. Although writers like johnny speight insisted his characters were there to be ridiculed he also admitted many of the audience never took it that way.
Very complexed subject but i do feel lots have been moulded into how they think and behave by the power of television. Thats now being switched to social media.
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I think the biggest difference is what views are now publicly acceptable, without being questioned or ridiculed; it’s been a seismic shift.

I think back to the 80s or 90s, and the views you would hear in work or the pubs would now, in the mainstay, receive rightful condemnation.

But at the time, it was normal - and almost acceptable. So while it’s not right, I’m always cautious when it questioning some elders…

… they knew no better. Equally, it’s while I’ll give short shrift to those who should no better, but they still spout the drivel they do.
 
Gilbert.. said:
A lot of countries have that issue with Racism. There is def a demographic age range here right now that grew up in "white England" and you see lots of those in these groups. Im probably in or around that age where you remember programmes like love thy neighbour. Mind your language. Alf garnett etc. Although writers like johnny speight insisted his characters were there to be ridiculed he also admitted many of the audience never took it that way.
Very complexed subject but i do feel lots have been moulded into how they think and behave by the power of television. Thats now being switched to social media.
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I heard an interesting take on racism the other day: a guy was saying that racism isn't a "you are or you aren't" kind of thing. He said it's more like being hungry, as in: "well I'm not right now"... but then a cheeseburger could suddenly cut you up on the highway...
 
PhilM said:
I think the biggest difference is what views are now publicly acceptable, without being questioned or ridiculed; it’s been a seismic shift.

I think back to the 80s or 90s, and the views you would hear in work or the pubs would now, in the mainstay, receive rightful condemnation.

But at the time, it was normal - and almost acceptable. So while it’s not right, I’m always cautious when it questioning some elders…

… they knew no better. Equally, it’s while I’ll give short shrift to those who should no better, but they still spout the drivel they do.
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The rewards on offer for it nowadays (and other things like misogyny, religious extremism and whatnot) especially online, shouldn’t be forgotten either.
 
PhilM said:
I think the biggest difference is what views are now publicly acceptable, without being questioned or ridiculed; it’s been a seismic shift.

I think back to the 80s or 90s, and the views you would hear in work or the pubs would now, in the mainstay, receive rightful condemnation.

But at the time, it was normal - and almost acceptable. So while it’s not right, I’m always cautious when it questioning some elders…

… they knew no better. Equally, it’s while I’ll give short shrift to those who should no better, but they still spout the drivel they do.
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100%. Many people who grew up around that time took it for what it is and never gave it a second thought. But there are some who havent. I mean programmes like mind your language was satire of the time. It portrayed people from other countries as inferior fools. I can remember kids in our school coming in and mimicking the indian and chinese characters in that show. Did it plant a seed of superiority with some who couldnt distinguish it was comedy.
I dont know. Im putting it out there that it could be a factor of some of the footage you see there is an age group of around that time. I could be shooting at the moon aswell and missing by miles.
 
Shevin Keedy said:
I heard an interesting take on racism the other day: a guy was saying that racism isn't a "you are or you aren't" kind of thing. He said it's more like being hungry, as in: "well I'm not right now"... but then a cheeseburger could suddenly cut you up on the highway...
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Yeah i dont really get it myself mate tbh. Ive always had an outlook on life(or try to) that in the grand scheme of things we're here for 5 minutes for a sh!t and a shave. Im not going to waste it or get bothered by different colours of skin or that you're different.
But history shows that human beings can easly be persuaded by a few morons and cause wars. Far to easly manipulated.
 
Gilbert.. said:
100%. Many people who grew up around that time took it for what it is and never gave it a second thought. But there are some who havent. I mean programmes like mind your language was satire of the time. It portrayed people from other countries as inferior fools. I can remember kids in our school coming in and mimicking the indian and chinese characters in that show. Did it plant a seed of superiority with some who couldnt distinguish it was comedy.
I dont know. Im putting it out there that it could be a factor of some of the footage you see there is an age group of around that time. I could be shooting at the moon aswell and missing by miles.
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That's not true of all TV shows of the era.

In Love Thy Neighbour, Eddie Booth was portrayed as a backward bigot, while the Jamaican couple next door were more sophisticated. In Till Death Do Us Part, Alf Garnett was the intolerant Pakistani hating ranter who always came unstuck. Interestingly, Eddie & Alf stood poles apart politically - Eddie was a socialist & Alf a tory. I've often heard it said that these shows are too politically incorrect for today, but it seems to me that the intent is missed. The writers were mocking the ignorance & stupidity of Eddie & Alf not presenting the inferiority of immigrants.

That's my take anyway.
 
Andy is the King said:
That's not true of all TV shows of the era.

In Love Thy Neighbour, Eddie Booth was portrayed as a backward bigot, while the Reynolds couple next door were more sophisticated. In Till Death Do Us Part, Alf Garnett was the intolerant [Poor language removed] hating ranter who always came unstuck. Interestingly, Eddie & Alf stood poles apart politically - Eddie was a socialist & Alf a tory. I've often heard it said that these shows are too politically incorrect for today, but it seems to me that the intent is missed. The writers were mocking the ignorance & stupidity of Eddie & Alf not presenting the inferiority of immigrants.

That's my take anyway.
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I remember watching them but I’m not sure a large proportion of the audience for the satire .

I suppose you could look at the Al Murray pub landlord stuff more recently a lot of people who liked him didn’t seem to get he was meant to be a figure of ridicule.
 
Andy is the King said:
That's not true of all TV shows of the era.

In Love Thy Neighbour, Eddie Booth was portrayed as a backward bigot, while the Jamaican couple next door were more sophisticated. In Till Death Do Us Part, Alf Garnett was the intolerant Pakistani hating ranter who always came unstuck. Interestingly, Eddie & Alf stood poles apart politically - Eddie was a socialist & Alf a tory. I've often heard it said that these shows are too politically incorrect for today, but it seems to me that the intent is missed. The writers were mocking the ignorance & stupidity of Eddie & Alf not presenting the inferiority of immigrants.

That's my take anyway.
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That was my point. The writers expressed that was how they intended them to be.
But it wasnt always seen that way by the audience.
 
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