Players we were after and should have signed

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Kanchelskis had gone at that point and we didn't sign a lot of the above until 18 months after Royle left.

Joe had lost the plot a bit by the end of that season. However the malaise was not entirely down to him and that from the following 5 seasons we endured 3 relegation fights (2 of which we were lucky to survive from, just a goal away from the drop) shows it wasn't entirely down to him.

Calm heads were needed with Joe back then. He wasn't a massively calm head and had got himself into a bit of a state with Southall and The Echo and Johnson didn't show the sort of leadership Kenwright did.

We went from being tipped for title outsiders to relegation fodder far too quickly. Watson and Southall were too old and weren't adequately replaced, while Parkinson was a huge loss (alongside legs finally catching up with Horne & Ebrrell).

There needed to be a rebuild job, but Royle had bought in some good players who had lost their way a bit and I'd liked to have seen him stay another season. Flo would have been a fantastic buy and taken a lot of pressure off Fergusan which would have been a big help. There was still a good nucleus, Short, Speed, Barmby, Unsworth, Fergusan. We also had a lot of talented lads emerging from below in our youth side.

Has Joe ever written about what happened there? Things were going pretty badly on the pitch but I don't recall any calls for Joe to go at all, as you say there was a feeling that he could turn things around, and it came out of the blue. Seemed like a foolish bust-up that Johnson allowed to become a resignation issue, which was idiotic given he had no clue who to replace Joe with.
 
Nigel Martyn said in the press years later that he was with Cliff Finch over at Park Foods discussing signing for us and on hearing that Leeds were interested, Finch surprisingly said he should drive over to Leeds and speak to them. Howard Wilkinson then convinced him to sign for them. Finch evidently better at flogging Xmas hampers than player negotiation.

When Clifford Finch stood there at the ESCLA AGM basically saying Royle was to blame for the failure to sign Martyn I did rather wonder what Finch wasn't telling us about his role in it.
 
off the top of my head i can't remember where i read it. but it was along side the likes of chech and essien type of players. we wanted hazard when he was only 17 if i remember right, before he had really broke through at lille (was it?).

Hazard was late 16/early 17 when he was being courted by the biggest teams in Europe, Everton, Arsenal, Milan and Chelsea amongst them IIRC.
When I watched Hazard you could tell he was a real talent, but then they kept saying they had the next zidane (nasri and gourcuff), they also had the next big striker in Benzema, so comparisons were always dealt out very early on, I think Hazard was quite small at the time too but has since bulked up. Funny really because messi is only 4'5 in heels yet we would all have him :D
 
Wonder how many other teams think this about players they almost signed before they joined for us, thinking about how close palace where supposed to be to signing Tim Cahill, wouldn't pay his agent fee's? Before we signed him up.
 
When Clifford Finch stood there at the ESCLA AGM basically saying Royle was to blame for the failure to sign Martyn I did rather wonder what Finch wasn't telling us about his role in it.


I bet you did. Ive found a clip regarding it.. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/how-everton-missed-out-cut-price-9577026

The imperious Nigel Martyn was branded by David Moyes as his best ever signing, seven years after Everton had him in a Park Foods reception hall on the Wirral – but allowed him to drive to Leeds.

“On our way over my agent, who was in the car in front, rang me to say Leeds had just matched the offer so it was in my interests to listen to them,” Martyn later explained. “We told the Everton director (Cliff Finch) about that and, it was weird, he seemed to get a bit flummoxed about the situation. He actually gave us directions on how to get to Leeds.

“I was all ready to sign for Everton. My wife had family in the area but the director, I think, was anxious to seem fair. He even said we’d better get moving because the traffic would be bad! Once we got to Leeds Howard Wilkinson was never going to let us go until I signed.”


A little cameo of the Johnson regime.
 
I bet you did. Ive found a clip regarding it.. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/how-everton-missed-out-cut-price-9577026

The imperious Nigel Martyn was branded by David Moyes as his best ever signing, seven years after Everton had him in a Park Foods reception hall on the Wirral – but allowed him to drive to Leeds.

“On our way over my agent, who was in the car in front, rang me to say Leeds had just matched the offer so it was in my interests to listen to them,” Martyn later explained. “We told the Everton director (Cliff Finch) about that and, it was weird, he seemed to get a bit flummoxed about the situation. He actually gave us directions on how to get to Leeds.

“I was all ready to sign for Everton. My wife had family in the area but the director, I think, was anxious to seem fair. He even said we’d better get moving because the traffic would be bad! Once we got to Leeds Howard Wilkinson was never going to let us go until I signed.”


A little cameo of the Johnson regime.
Horrific. You just have to laugh. Giving directions and shooing them off so they don't get stuck in traffic ffs, abysmal!
 
Dean Ashton at crewe for a million instead of James Beattie fro 8 million - it bemused me as we had just struggled to beat Crewe home and away in the cup and Goodlass was saying the two forwards ripped us apart Ashton was one of them the youngest he went to Norwich for 1 million then became hot property called up for England and got crocked!
I couldnt understand that one mate he was a far better player than Beattie.
 
Kyle Walker, Moyes had been looking at him as well as Naughton, then Spurs came in.
Well in fact DM was only interested in Naughton it was pancake face who took the two of them Walker is streets a head of naughton DM never considered Walker until HK decided he wanted them both - Walker was proven to be the ace in the duo!
 
A front line of him and sharply, being fed by sheedy, Reid, baracewll and tricky trek would haverules the world!
Annoying thing is, Gordon Lee was watching both Rush and Sharp and could easily have signed both (albeit it would've been brave signing and playing two novices up front).

Got talking to Rush at an event a few years back, and mentioned this to him. I asked him do you think you and Sharpy would've clicked as a partnership. His answer, as I feared, "We'd have won everything". Especially with the midfield supply we had...
 
Has Joe ever written about what happened there? Things were going pretty badly on the pitch but I don't recall any calls for Joe to go at all, as you say there was a feeling that he could turn things around, and it came out of the blue. Seemed like a foolish bust-up that Johnson allowed to become a resignation issue, which was idiotic given he had no clue who to replace Joe with.

He does briefly in his autobiography mate. It is a fascinating read. Southall writes about it too and it's interesting to compare and contrast.

The story goes Royle went into the meeting thinking he'd be sacked while Johnson went into the meeting thinking he'd resign. Neither really wanted the eventuality that happened but the inaction of both ended up meaning Royle went. For me Johnson was guilty of poor leadership and probably not recognising that Royle probably just needed to be told he was still wanted as opposed to wanted to turn it into a resignation issue. I am not a fan of Kenwright but this has always been one area he excelled at and if he'd have been in charge I have no doubt Royle would have stayed.

I think Joe was getting caught up in a spiral. I remember some fans were concerned with the results but certainly no mass calls for him to go. It was different back then, people were more patient. I think people also gave allowances and were aware of concrete factors that make management difficult. Kanchelskis had his head turned, Fergusan became injury prone, Parkinson got a bad injury. Those 3 were central to Everton (Parkinson on the brink of an England run). People were probably a bit more clued up back then and willing to give allowances.

Then when you factor in alongside that lads like Limpar, Horne, Ablett, Ebbrell all had to be moved on due to age catching up with them, as well as crucially Watson and Southall you could see how a storm began to brew. Everything just seemed to happen very quickly. It was always an ageing squad but a lot seemed to become over the hill at a similar time and lads in their prime got injuries. As has been suggested Johnson then failed to get Nigel Martin across the line and wouldn't sign Flo.

Running concurrently to this Royle was becoming paranoid. He banned the local press and became suspicious of Southall for leaking information. I think he lost a bit of control. We should have just calmed the situation down and had some clear recruitment in the summer. Johnson wasn't capable of this leadership though and seemed to agitate Royle further rather than steadying the ship.

It was bizarre looking back. We went from trying to sign Alan Shearer to signing John Spencer in 12 months. In the opening fixtures of 1996 we were fantastic. We hammered a Newcastle side that was tipped for the title on the opening day. We then went to Old Trafford and for 45 minutes dominated Manchester United. I can count on one hand the number of sides who have done that to them. They just couldn't handle Kanchelskis and particularly Fergusan. It didn't seem possible within 18 months we'd be where we were.

I have no idea if Royle would have turned it around. However it was awful management. It should have been seen we needed some players and to calm Royle down. We should have also known we had a lot of promising young lads coming through the academy waiting to be blooded over the next 3-4 years and someone like Royle would have been ideal for this.

As a slight aside and relating back to them premise of the original post I suspect our biggest mistake was not going to get Cruyff in 98. When you consider was he had built and Ajax and building at Barcelona getting him in ideally to work above Royle would have been magnificent and perfect for us given the young players we had. While I doubt he could have turned us into a modern day Barca (we have neither the tradition, wealth or talent pool) we had some fantastic young players in our youth set up in the late 90's and the academy was starting to kick into gear. I think he'd have transformed the club over the wasted years between Royle to Moyes and probably turned us into a side that competed for honours.
 
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