Pink Floyd

[dholliday]

Have you somehow managed to live in such an echo chamber your entire life that you’ve convinced yourself that my view that they were average musicians is somehow an “out of the box” viewpoint ? Because it’s not, it’s a widely held one.

Only people I’ve ever known to consider the Beatles to be amazing musicians are the type of people who play in dad rock cover bands and have only ever listened to guitar/rock music their entire life.

I do genuinely feel sorry for you for the above post.

You have managed to combine a lack of knowledge of the abilities of the band with a put-down of an individual in the last paragraph (about whom you know next-to-nothing).

Hope you feel smug and self-satisfied with yourself.

We did the poll and it was very tight at the top between Floyd, Beatles and Zep:

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/best-rock-band-ever.100252/

 

[strummer]

I'm the opposite: love the studio album but the live CD is a bit meh.

I like the narrow way and granChester meadows but the nick Mason and Richard Wright songs are unlistenable to me.

 

[longers]

I do genuinely feel sorry for you for the above post.

You have managed to combine a lack of knowledge of the abilities of the band with a put-down of an individual in the last paragraph (about whom you know next-to-nothing).

Hope you feel smug and self-satisfied with yourself.

I admit I am part popcorning you because I know how much you love them. I respect them for their impact on music as a whole and their songwriting abilities (even though I don't personally care much for their music) but its hard not to laugh when someone goes on about them being great musicians... to come to that conclusion you've got to have set the bar pretty low in terms of what impresses you and not really have much knowledge of music outside of rock, i mean they aren't even particularly impressive musicians within rock music, let alone when you start throwing genres like Jazz into the mix.

 

[dholliday]

I like the narrow way and granChester meadows but the nick Mason and Richard Wright songs are unlistenable to me.

The long Nick Mason piece (before the drum solo) inspired a modern sub-genre...dark ambient. I've made similarly-toned pieces myself. It's comfortably in the Floyd's top ten songs for me.

I admit I am part popcorning you because I know how much you love them. I respect them for their impact on music as a whole and their songwriting abilities (even though I don't personally care much for their music) but its hard not to laugh when someone goes on about them being great musicians... to come to that conclusion you've got to have set the bar pretty low in terms of what impresses you and not really have much knowledge of music outside of rock, i mean they aren't even particularly impressive musicians within rock music, let alone when you start throwing genres like Jazz into the mix.

But as Mahavishnu Orchestra proved: technically high-end musicians don't automatically result in great musik.

 

[longers]

The long Nick Mason piece (before the drum solo) inspired a modern sub-genre...dark ambient. I've made similarly-toned pieces myself. It's comfortably in the Floyd's top ten songs for me.


But as Mahavishnu Orchestra proved: technically high-end musicians don't automatically result in great musik.

I agree, hence why I made a point of saying they were great songwriters not great musicians.

 

[1874]

I agree, that along with some great stuff, they produced some turds (as did all bands). I can only take about half of 'Disraeli Gears' for example, and ditto for the Beatles 'White' album.

I find Zep 4 a bit dull at times, and that’s their most popular album. Popularity means nothing to me.

 

[chrismpw]

I admit I am part popcorning you because I know how much you love them. I respect them for their impact on music as a whole and their songwriting abilities (even though I don't personally care much for their music) but its hard not to laugh when someone goes on about them being great musicians... to come to that conclusion you've got to have set the bar pretty low in terms of what impresses you and not really have much knowledge of music outside of rock, i mean they aren't even particularly impressive musicians within rock music, let alone when you start throwing genres like Jazz into the mix.

 

[1874]

I can't stand most rap & urban: creatively bankrupt & horribly arrogant. But I have to admit there's some rap out there which is just plain good: Ice T's Original Gangster, a bunch of older Rakim and some of that hectic energy from Jamaica Dancehalls. Also one time found myself at a rap club and enjoyed dancing to some deep gangsta rap which wasn't like the radio crap.

Also, this is interesting (the rest of his work not so much):






Love me some Doors. Would rank them above Led Zep & Sabbath in the pantheon.

Went to Paris just to visit the great mans grave. Whilst I was there I took in the Eiffel Tower and one or two other things, but I only went to visit the cemetery.

 

[dholliday]

Top 5 Floyd songs, anyone?

1. Atom Heart Mother, suite
2. Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 2
3. The Trial
4. On The Run
5. Sheep

...it's bluddy difficult limiting it to five! Great Gig in the Sky is still amazing.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I admit I am part popcorning you because I know how much you love them. I respect them for their impact on music as a whole and their songwriting abilities (even though I don't personally care much for their music) but its hard not to laugh when someone goes on about them being great musicians... to come to that conclusion you've got to have set the bar pretty low in terms of what impresses you and not really have much knowledge of music outside of rock, i mean they aren't even particularly impressive musicians within rock music, let alone when you start throwing genres like Jazz into the mix.

Look, my attitude to them is hard-nosed, believe me. Whereas I believe they produced a lot of excellent stuff, they also produced more than their fair share of grabage. As I have said, half of the 'White' album I consider to be utter merde, at a time whern Lennon was moving more and more away from what one might call the 'accepted norms' of the time. 'Revolution No. 9' being the classic example of the utter dross produced. Also, 'Yellow submarine' - no, Lennon, NO!!!

I am a big fan of the Stones also. But the mid-'60s period, from the 'Aftermath' album onwards was poor, until they got their act together again with 'Beggers Banquet', and then moved on to their most glorious period (IMO) when Mick Taylor joined in 1969.

If you want an example of the Beatles ability, look no further than 'And your bird can sing', with the twin guitar playing in it. Twin soling didn't really come along until years later with Wishbone Ash and the Allman Brothers Band. The Beatles had been there, done it. Listen to Paul Mc's soloing on 'Taxman' also, and the intro to 'Sgt Peppers', and its reprise later on the album.

I will accept that they were not the virtuoso musicians a la Vai, Satriani, van Halen, SRV, etc, but the sum of the parts was always greater than the parts themselves (when they got it right, as I said above).

I hope I have explained myself a little better with the above.

 

[1874]

Look, my attitude to them is hard-nosed, believe me. Whereas I believe they produced a lot of excellent stuff, they also produced more than their fair share of grabage. As I have said, half of the 'White' album I consider to be utter merde, at a time whern Lennon was moving more and more away from what one might call the 'accepted norms' of the time. 'Revolution No. 9' being the classic example of the utter dross produced. Also, 'Yellow submarine' - no, Lennon, NO!!!

I am a big fan of the Stones also. But the mid-'60s period, from the 'Aftermath' album onwards was poor, until they got their act together again with 'Beggers Banquet', and then moved on to their most glorious period (IMO) when Mick Taylor joined in 1969.

If you want an example of the Beatles ability, look no further than 'And your bird can sing', with the twin guitar playing in it. Twin soling didn't really come along until years later with Wishbone Ash and the Allman Brothers Band. The Beatles had been there, done it. Listen to Paul Mc's soloing on 'Taxman' also, and the intro to 'Sgt Peppers', and its reprise later on the album.

I will accept that they were not the virtuoso musicians a la Vai, Satriani, van Halen, SRV, etc, but the sum of the parts was always greater than the parts themselves (when they got it right, as I said above).

I hope I have explained myself a little better with the above.

Brilliant post and bang on right.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Went to Paris just to visit the great mans grave. Whilst I was there I took in the Eiffel Tower and one or two other things, but I only went to visit the cemetery.

The Doors were pure dead brilliant. A unique sound.

 

[daza_1973]

Top 5 Floyd songs, anyone?

1. Atom Heart Mother, suite
2. Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 2
3. The Trial
4. On The Run
5. Sheep

...it's bluddy difficult limiting it to five! Great Gig in the Sky is still amazing.

Mine -

1. Time
2. Comfortably Numb
3. Shine on you crazy diamond (first sections)
4. When the tigers broke free
5. Dogs

 

[overkill]

Top 5 Floyd songs, anyone?

1. Atom Heart Mother, suite
2. Shine On You Crazy Diamond part 2
3. The Trial
4. On The Run
5. Sheep

...it's bluddy difficult limiting it to five! Great Gig in the Sky is still amazing.

New getting into floyd, love the wall and dark side for now other stuff is unlisternable to me.

Anyway mine

1. Waiting for the worms
2. Goodbye Blue Sky
3. Hey you
4. The trial
5. One of my turns

 

[1874]

The Doors were pure dead brilliant. A unique sound.

One of my favourite bands. Much more commercial than Jefferson Airpane, or The Grateful Dead, Who I’m also a big fan of.