Pink Floyd

[Old Blue 2]

I've tried with the Beatles, but none of it really clicks. Strawberry Fields is a nice lush song, A Day in the Life is interesting, Number 9 is far out...I think that's my limit, the rest is pretty meh.

I will not criticise you your view, but WOW!!!...

 

[Parker]

When the levee breaks was one of their nicked songs, about an actual event. Original is from around 1920.

LZ had the greatest rhythm section of all time? Tell that to Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce, for starters! And The Stones rhythm section of Watts & Wyman were far more 'in the pocket' than Bonham/Jones...

If you found/find the Beatles a bit boring, then that is fine - that's your opinion and not incorrect in your view. But boring they ain't, if you examine their composing and performaing abilities. Go listen to 'And your bird can sing' from 1966 and take in the twin guitar playing on that track. Light years ahead of anything that Wishbone Ash or the Allman Brothers Band did, ever.

TV shows of the 1960s HAD to be mimed, so the Beatles had to fall in line with laid-down TV industry rules. The suits were a dictat from Epstein in order to position them so that music industry moguls in London (who ruled everything at the time) didn't see tham as some kind of 'unwashed'.

McCartney's lefty Hofner bass was all that he could get hold of prior to them hitting the big time. He moved on to Rickenbackers in the mid-1960s.

As you say mate, its an opinions game.

I have no doubt the Beatles are influential and brilliant at what they do, but what they do doesn't excite me in the slightest and that's what I want from my music.

 

[chrismpw]

As you say mate, its an opinions game.

I have no doubt the Beatles are influential and brilliant at what they do, but what they do doesn't excite me in the slightest and that's what I want from my music.

This is the very very strange thing about music. A lot if the stuff people go wild about leaves me absolutely stone cold, or even irritated. Some if the stuff I like others just dont get.

It matters not, we're all different, and if you like it you like it. I've and let live.

Apart from rap, like, that's just utter crud and should be burned.

 

[Old Blue 2]

As you say mate, its an opinions game.

I have no doubt the Beatles are influential and brilliant at what they do, but what they do doesn't excite me in the slightest and that's what I want from my music.

I've always felt the same about the Doors, yet many rave about them. Same for the Allman Brothers Band and ZZ Top. A couple of decent numbers, each, but otherwise...

It would be boring if we all liked the same things...

 

[dholliday]

I will not criticise you your view, but WOW!!!...

I know you're knowledgable about musik, so I'll try to explain what I mean:

I love musik, even make it myself. I don't follow genres or eras, I follow energy: moods, structures & atmospheres, specifically a lot of dark, hypnotic, eccentric, trippy, experimental, cosmic vibes...but they need a bit of an edge far away from cliché, sentiment or familiar structures.

It means I love a lot of work from Arvo Pärt, Lana Del Rey, Steve Reich, later Kate Bush, Ligeti, later PJ Harvey, Miles Davis, Radiohead, Iva Bittová, Harmonia, Einstürzende Neubauten, Sun Ra, Can, Laurie Anderson, early Sonic Youth, Neu!, early Soundgarden, Psykovsky, Juno Reactor, Balinese Gamelan and many more.

There's not many standard-songwriting guitar bands among that lot. They encompass all kinds of genres, nationalities & eras but all share similar vibes. It's like they've tapped deep into the more hypnotic appeal of musik where the concern is creating a vibe rather than an emotional response. It's like the aim isn't emotional, it's deeper than that, more about a feeling of being one with the sound. Whereas with say The Beatles, Oasis or pop music the aim is to emotionally connect with the listener, but not in the same way as actually becoming one with the sound, which is less about emotion and more about pure being. That's not to say one type of connection is superior to the other, there's objectively no such thing as better or worse be it a band or a vibe. But it does mean I tend to follow musik which more connects to pure being than merely emotionally connects. As a classical example, I'm more Beethoven than Mozart, but I expect a Beatles fan to be more Mozart than Beethoven.

Does this make sense or am I waffling bollocks?

 

[Blue 1]

I would agree on Led Zep III. Not really tapped too much into Sonic Youth but I believe they have been a big influence on Nirvana which is my favourite band of all time so might have to give them a go. Album recommendation?

 

[Parker]

Looks like I've got a long night ahead of me... will report back.

 

[dholliday]

Apart from rap, like, that's just utter crud and should be burned.

I can't stand most rap & urban: creatively bankrupt & horribly arrogant. But I have to admit there's some rap out there which is just plain good: Ice T's Original Gangster, a bunch of older Rakim and some of that hectic energy from Jamaica Dancehalls. Also one time found myself at a rap club and enjoyed dancing to some deep gangsta rap which wasn't like the radio crap.

Also, this is interesting (the rest of his work not so much):

I've always felt the same about the Doors, yet many rave about them. Same for the Allman Brothers Band and ZZ Top. A couple of decent numbers, each, but otherwise...

It would be boring if we all liked the same things...

Love me some Doors. Would rank them above Led Zep & Sabbath in the pantheon.

 

[dholliday]

whoever made that is a talent! so accurate. is there a Floyd version?

 

[Blue 1]

whoever made that is a talent! so accurate. is there a Floyd version?

 

[dholliday]

it's a bit low-res so i upsampled it a little:

 

[bol-uk]

Genius

 

[Old Blue 2]

Not really tapped too much into Sonic Youth but I believe they have been a big influence on Nirvana which is my favourite band of all time so might have to give them a go. Album recommendation?

What? Nirvana came BEFORE Sonic Youth!


Album recommendations:
'The Existence Of Chance Is Everything and Nothing While the Greatest Achievement Is the Living of Life and So Say All Of Us'; or
'The story of Simon Simopath'

 

[Parker]

What? Nirvana came BEFORE Sonic Youth!


Album recommendations:
'The Existence Of Chance Is Everything and Nothing While the Greatest Achievement Is the Living of Life and So Say All Of Us'; or
'The story of Simon Simopath'

I've always thought that "Nirvana" is way to good a band name for no one else to have thought of it. Turns out I was right, they settled out of court in the 80's apparently so the real Nirvana could use the name. Its weird, even the font used on that album cover looks like the Nirvana font on the logo.

 

[Blue 1]

I'm expecting pelters for this, but I've got to be honest, I'm not that arsed about Floyd. The post-Syd stuff is about as psychedelic as a pint of real ale, and if there's anything more tedious than Dave Gilmour wanking off his fretboard, it's Roger Waters banging on about politics and his issues with women.