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Nothing to do with the Palestinian elections but I can't see anywhere suitable to post this article about some of the ethnic groups that can be found in North Africa and the Middle East. These are people who are usually lazily lumped together as 'Arabs', especially in the west. it's not a complete list, and doesn't claim to be - no Zazas, Assyrians or Arameans for instance, so perhaps there'll be a part two.

https://voiceofsalam.com/2021/03/16...ght-the-ethno-cultural-diversity-across-mena/

Plenty of other interesting stuff on the website as well.

Feel free to re-post the link elsewhere if there's somewhere more suitable!
 
More chaos in Fatah.

Tawfiq Tirawi, a veteran member of the central committee, former head of the intelligence service, close confidant of Arafat, and critic of Abbas has said, " I'm facing a character assassination campaign by mercenaries and dubious figures who want to eliminate me politically." Tirawi is rumoured to maintain close ties to Abbas rival Mohammed Dahlan. In 2020, PA security forces arrested a group of Fatah activists with links to Tirawi who had been plotting to attack Majed Faraj, the current head of intelligence, and widely regarded as a possible successor to Abbas, along with Fatah deputy Mahmoud Aloul.

Meanwhile the PA have cut off funding to the Yasser Arafat Foundation "to prevent Nasser al Qudwa from using it for his election campaign. The foundation belongs to the Palestinian people, not Qudwa." Qudwa has denounced the decision as pathetic and is continuing in his efforts to woo Mohammed Dahwan onto his slate.

All of this only makes a Hamas victory in the legislative elections more certain; they have successfully suppressed the splits in their camp. This is causing unease not just in Washington and Israel, but also amongst the Palestinian's nearest neighbours and traditional allies, Egypt and Jordan.

Egypt has so far played the largest role in pushing the elections forward, but both they and Jordan have deep reservations about a vote that they believe could bring Hamas back into the Palestinian Authority political system. They regard Hamas as a terror organisation, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that opposes the regimes in Cairo and Amman. There are claims that both countries objected to allowing Hamas to participate in the elections. They are also aware that Hamas has close links to Qatar and Turkey, who have frequently clashed with Egypt and Jordan’s allies, the UAE and Saudi Arabia.

In Amman, the Hamas-aligned Jordanian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood has long constituted the most serious opposition to King Abdullah II. The monarchy has sought to demobilise the Islamists, including by formally banning the party last year. The Jordanians are also wary of allowing Hamas a platform in the West Bank, which would pose a security challenge on Jordan’s border.

Egypt, meanwhile are content with the status quo: they don't like Hamas but have learnt to work with them when necessary, and have achieved all their aims regarding border security, closing down terrorist tunnels, and eradicating radical Islamists. They are, though, keen to keen to re-establish themselves as central to diplomacy in the region, and a reliable and positive influence, especially given their own dubious human rights record. They jealously guard their role as mediator in the endless Palestinian diplomatic shuffle, a role that both Turkey and Qatar covet; those countries are currently viewed by the PA as being too close to Hamas, while the UAE, who are also showing interest, are viewed as too close to Abbas arch-rival Mohammed Dahlan.

Both the Jordanians and Egyptians see stabilising US-Palestinian relations as an important step for stabilising the region as a whole. The Americans would undoubtedly have problems with a government led by what they regard as an unrepentant terrorist organisation. As a State Department spokesperson said, “The US and other key partners in the international community have long been clear about the importance of participants in the democratic process accepting previous agreements, renouncing violence and terrorism and recognising Israel’s right to exist."

Hamas currently refuse to do any of those things. Consequently it's unlikely the US would choose to fund a Hamas-led PA, especially with its proven record, by their own figures, of preferring to spend money meant to alleviate the poverty of their citizens on missiles, guns and tunnels.
 
I was delighted to see an article published in yesterday's Guardian which purported to be a much needed critique of the Palestine and Israeli electoral systems. The headline was a bit over the top but that's what headlines are for, I thought, to attract the readers attention. I should have known better.

The first warning sign came when I saw that it was written not by a journalist with some knowledge of the situation, but by a lobbyist for the Palestinian cause. Nothing wrong with that but I would have thought an article in a mainstream newspaper should be fair and balanced, and if it's not it should be made clear that the author has an agenda, a bias.

Because of this I should probably make my own position clear, reluctantly. I am married to a Palestinian woman, and have visited Israel and the West Bank. My wife still has family there, her indefatigable sister in Jericho and some cousins elsewhere. Her brother is exiled in Egypt. We also have friends in the West Bank and Jewish friends in Israel. Does this make me an expert? No, and neither do I have any answers. I suspect it does mean that I follow Palestinian affairs more closely than the average Guardian reader.

I won't post a link to the article because, frankly, it's not worth reading, but I'll run through a few of the claims the author makes.

Israel effectively exercises total control over the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.
Israel has total control over Gaza? What have Hamas been doing with all that money since 2007? Israel controls Nablus? Ramallah? Jenin? I'll stop there - that's just insulting and absolves the corrupt, incompetent, and cowardly PA of all responsibility.

The Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem don’t get to vote for the regime that rules every aspect of their lives.
Does the author think the citizens of those places want to vote in Israeli elections? Seriously?
Does the author think they should be allowed to vote in them? The only way that could happen is if Israel was to annex the West Bank, as indeed some on the right of Israeli politics would like. Thankfully, now that we have a sane government in Washington, that won't be happening.

Successive Israeli governments ... turned the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem into an archipelago of disconnected Palestinian population centres.
They've never been connected. Go back to the pre-6 Day War borders in 1967 when Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan ruled the West Bank, having annexed it in 1950 - there has never been a connected, independent Palestinian state, so his statement is false, no matter how much you may disagree with the Israeli settlement policy. As I do.

There then follows a little bit of criticism of the Palestinian electoral rules for candidates - fair enough but partial - and a criticism of the new PR system, which as in Israel, guarantees a coalition government rather then one-party rule. We'll have to see how that works - the author has no idea, like the rest of us.

The next paragraph refers to Israeli interference in the political rights of Palestinians.
Certainly, in recent weeks Israeli security have been warning known Hamas activists not to campaign in the West Bank Area C - Hamas is an illegal terrorist organisation. The PA, meanwhile, have been arresting them. Even my wife's sister, a 60 year old woman, received a call from PA security telling her not to take part in any rallies or demonstrations against the PA - and she has nothing to do with Hamas! Previously, she has been arrested twice by the Israelis in the early 2000s for taking part in peaceful protests - released once without charge and found not guilty of any offence in the other; and arrested twice by the PA, once 10 years ago for taking part in a peaceful pro-democracy protest - 3 months in jail - and again for a similar offence 4 or 5 years ago when she was released after a night in jail. She has spent the last 30 years working for non-violent peace movements.

Israel...has arrested elected members of parliament.
Does he mean the Knesset? The Palestine Legislative Council hasn't sat since 2007. If so he could be referring to Khalida Jarrar, a self-confessed member of the terrorist group Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, illegal in Israel, but one of the smaller political parties in Palestine. She was arrested after the murder of a 17 year old girl by the PFLP.

The final two paragraphs contain the crux of the author's argument, one designed for western ears rather than providing any solution for Palestinians.

These two elections...give the veneer of legitimacy to a system that maintains the supremacy and domination of one people over another. Palestinians are stripped of sovereignty and the agency to shape their lives, their futures and the ability to challenge this oppression. This system cannot offer true democracy and as such it must be dismantled.
That's a lot of finger pointing and infantilising of the Palestinians, suggesting they do not have the 'agency to shape their lives'. How do they obtain this 'agency' that is going to magically change things'? Are they incapable of peacefully solving their own problems? No answer.
Of course, sadly, Palestinians do not have true sovereignty in the whole of the West Bank - they never have had, so not sure how they've been 'stripped' of it. As for Gaza, Hamas have been in full control since 2007.
What is this system that must be dismantled? I dread to think.
How is it be dismantled? Not a clue.

Finally, there's a sentence in the final paragraph I can agree 100% with.

The way forward starts with a reformed political system that is democratic and representative and can give a voice to all 13 million Palestinians around the world.
Unfortunately, the author gives no clue on how he thinks that can be achieved or what the 'way forward' should be.

I presume he won't be voting in the forthcoming elections. In my view the choice is between taking part in a democratic vote (no matter how flawed) or standing on the side achieving nothing (other than writing meaningless articles for the Guardian).

As my wife's sister says, any party running on a political reform, anti-corruption platform - and was believable - would walk into power, and it is no coincidence that three of the leaders of breakaway Fatah factions have begun their campaigns by promising exactly that. No mention of that in the Guardian article. No mention of the electoral reform needed in Israel either. Don't bother reading it.
 
Similar to what I was saying in a previous post. This to an American citizen visiting his home town.





Meanwhile, candidates running for the parliamentary election have begun to submit their lists to the Central Elections Commission offices in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
On the first day, three lists were presented to the commission: 1 – Democratic Change, which is affiliated with the PLO’s Marxist-Leninist Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP).
2 – Palestine For All, headed by Gaza Strip resident former PA labour and housing minister Mufeed al-Hasayna.
3 – My Dignity, headed by Dr. Mansour Salamah, a prominent academic and researcher from the city of Tulkarem in the northern West Bank.

The DFLP said that its 61-member list consists of activists of youth movements and independent figures from east Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and said that its list seeks to end “the devastating state of division (between the West Bank and Gaza Strip) and confront the occupation and its terror against our people.”

Hasayna, a former PA housing minister, said that his list includes independent candidates who do not belong to any Palestinian political organisations, claiming, "Young men and women constitute about 35% of the Palestine For All list. Our program will be from the people to the people, and it will focus on the difficult situation that our people are suffering from in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the difficult health situation they are experiencing, and the painful unemployment that prevents us from benefiting from youth experiences.”

I don't know anything about Salamah's party.

The commission will study candidacy applications for up to 5 days from the date of their submission before deciding whether to accept or reject them.
 
Thanks for these very informative and interesting posts Big Mick.

As you say, no easy or glib answers here.
Thank you Leonard.

A bit more about the rules for the electoral lists that are being submitted in the coming days, because the Guardian, as so often happens, got some of their facts wrong.

According to the electoral regulations, each list is required to provide the commission with the signatures of 3,000 supporters who are eligible voters. In addition, each list is required to deposit a sum of $20,000 into the commission’s bank account. The Guardian article last week incorrectly suggested that every candidate had to stump up this money.
Candidates running for the Legislative Council, must be over the age of 28 and without a felony or misdemeanour conviction.

This means that Mohammed Dahlan, long-time critic of Mansour Abbas, would not be able to present his candidacy for the presidential election: in 2016, a PA court in Ramallah sentenced Dahlan, who had already fled abroad, to three years in prison on charges of embezzlement of public funds. He was accused, amongst other things, of diverting 40% of the taxes levied at the Karni Crossing, which links Gaza to Israel, (an estimated one million Shekels a month) to his personal bank account. I have no doubt the accusations were true, but more than a little hypocritical coming from the PA leadership!

The PA say that he will be arrested if he sets foot in the West Bank. Hamas, though, have allowed him to set up base in Gaza, partly to help split the Fatah vote.

I'll perhaps write a bit more about Dahlan as he is without doubt one of the most fascinating, and controversial, characters involved in Palestinian politics.
 
Some more about the colourful and controversial Mohammed Dahlan, who has begun his campaign and given an interview to Saudi TV. here's some quotes.

“Abbas has only brought poverty, sickness and stress to the Palestinian people. He is the leader of the Palestinian people, and as such, he bears responsibility for the failure. He has destroyed the dignity of the Palestinians. What are Abbas’s achievements over the past 15 years? One big zero. Abbas promised to reform and strengthen Fatah, reform the corrupt Palestinian Authority, and achieve an honourable peace (with Israel). Abbas did not achieve any of the three goals.”

"Palestinians will not achieve a Palestinian state unless we change our political system. If we don’t change our Palestinian reality, we won’t achieve our national rights."

His new movement, the Democratic Reform Current, would participate in the upcoming Palestinian elections and did not rule out the possibility that he would run in the PA presidential election. He clarified, however, that his movement would decide who would run in the parliamentary and presidential elections.

“If the elections are fair, the list representing Abbas would be in a difficult situation. I want to assure Abbas that he will not be the only candidate in the presidential election. Abbas is not aware of this because he’s living on a different planet.”
“Abbas does not accept a different view,” he said. “Our movement seeks a fundamental change in the Palestinian political system.”

Asked whether his movement has forged an alliance with Hamas, he replied: “I can’t say that we are allies, but at least we are not in a state of conflict. I’m the one who initiated the reconciliation with them.”

He denied that he was an agent of the UAE and other international parties.
“The UAE has no ambitions in the Palestinian issue,” he said, adding that it is “the second Arab country, after Saudi Arabia, that provides financial support for the Palestinian people.”

He managed one final dig at Abbas over coronavirus.
“Abbas accepted 2,000 vaccines from Israel and gave them to his associates and relatives.” Dahlan has coordinated the delivery of thousands of UAE-supplied vaccines to the Gaza Strip. “We are prepared to send vaccines to the West Bank, but Abbas won’t accept them.”

Here are some Dahlan facts, plus a few rumours.

Born 1961 in a south Gaza refugee camp.
Joined Fatah at an early age and was imprisoned 5 times by the Israelis for 'minor attacks'.
1987 Moved to PLO HQ in Tunis where he became a favourite of Arafat.
1994 Became head of Preventive Security in Gaza, focusing primarily on counter-terrorism - which meant a crackdown on Hamas.
During this time his men earned a reputation for harsh, often brutal measures: imprisoning, humiliating, and allegedly torturing Islamist militants.
2000 Camp David peace conference, Dahlan remained a trusted Arafat aide, reportedly urging the Palestinian leader to strike a more accommodating position.
During the eruption of the Second Intifada, Dahlan and Abbas became close allies, coming out against the widespread use of violence and suicide bombings against Israeli civilians. Both became critics of Arafat.
2003 Appointed Minister of State for Security Affairs by Abbas.
2004 Appointed Minister for Civil Affairs – effectively the main Palestinian interlocutor with Israel.
2006 Became National Security Adviser - tasked with maintaining control of Gaza, again attempting to 'hammer Hamas'.
2007 Hamas seize control of Gaza - Dahlan abroad 'having medical attention'.
Returned to the West Bank.
Became a harsh critic of Abbas. Rumours grew that he was being groomed by the US to succeed Abbas.
2011 Expelled from Fatah; PA security forces raided his home in late summer. He barely made it out of the West Bank, fleeing to Jordan the next day. Later re-emerged in the UAE where he has served as an adviser to Prince Mohammad bin Zayed.
2013 - 19 Involved in UAE activity in Serbia and Montenegro - investments and rumoured arms deals. Became a citizen of both countries.
2015 Visited Khartoum to mediate a deal between Sudan, Ethiopia and Egypt over a controversial Nile River dam project.
2015 Arrived in Libya on a private jet for secret talks with Libyan rebel elements, including former Gadhafi regime members.
2015 Rumoured to be involved in, on behalf of the UAE, a targeted assassination program undertaken by US mercenaries against Islamist figures in Yemen.
2019 Turkey issue an arrest warrant against him, with a bounty of $1 million, increased to $2 million, accusing him of helping plot the 2016 coup against Erdogan, a charge he denies.

Throughout this time he has maintained close contact with his supporters in the West Bank and has somehow fostered close ties with his former enemies Hamas, brokering several deals between them and Egypt. He is rumoured to have played a key role in the UAE-Israel peace deal, something he denies, although he is known to have influential Israeli contacts. He has brought his own money (through his wife's charity), UAE money (and vaccines) into Gaza, and Hamas have allowed him to base himself there for the campaign - at the very least he will split the Fatah vote. There is even a chance Hamas may choose to back him should he run for president.

Dahlan has an estimated net worth of $120 million - even more than Abbas, though not if you include Abbas's two mega-rich sons.

He has influential contacts in the US, Israel, Egypt and the Gulf states.
His supporters claim he has the qualities needed to sweep aside the outworn attitudes of the leadership that has shackled the Palestinian people for decades, and embrace a more realistic approach to reaching an accommodation with Israel and the brighter future for everyone. The US and the Israelis view him as a pragmatist, a wheeler-dealer who they might be able to make a deal with.
The PA say he will be arrested if he sets foot in the West Bank. Many of his supporters have already been imprisoned - or worse.
His new party have no chance of winning the election on their own, but there is a growing feeling that he will link up with Nasser al-Qudwa's party, which could fatally damage Fatah's chances and put him in a very powerful position.

Whatever happens, he's a man to watch.
 
Some more about the colourful and controversial Mohammed Dahlan, who has begun his campaign and given an interview to Saudi TV. here's some quotes.

“Abbas has only brought poverty, sickness and stress to the Palestinian people. He is the leader of the Palestinian people, and as such, he bears responsibility for the failure. He has destroyed the dignity of the Palestinians. What are Abbas’s achievements over the past 15 years? One big zero. Abbas promised to reform and strengthen Fatah, reform the corrupt Palestinian Authority, and achieve an honourable peace (with Israel). Abbas did not achieve any of the three goals.”

"Palestinians will not achieve a Palestinian state unless we change our political system. If we don’t change our Palestinian reality, we won’t achieve our national rights."

His new movement, the Democratic Reform Current, would participate in the upcoming Palestinian elections and did not rule out the possibility that he would run in the PA presidential election. He clarified, however, that his movement would decide who would run in the parliamentary and presidential elections.

“If the elections are fair, the list representing Abbas would be in a difficult situation. I want to assure Abbas that he will not be the only candidate in the presidential election. Abbas is not aware of this because he’s living on a different planet.”
“Abbas does not accept a different view,” he said. “Our movement seeks a fundamental change in the Palestinian political system.”

Asked whether his movement has forged an alliance with Hamas, he replied: “I can’t say that we are allies, but at least we are not in a state of conflict. I’m the one who initiated the reconciliation with them.”

He denied that he was an agent of the UAE and other international parties.
“The UAE has no ambitions in the Palestinian issue,” he said, adding that it is “the second Arab country, after Saudi Arabia, that provides financial support for the Palestinian people.”

He managed one final dig at Abbas over coronavirus.
“Abbas accepted 2,000 vaccines from Israel and gave them to his associates and relatives.” Dahlan has coordinated the delivery of thousands of UAE-supplied vaccines to the Gaza Strip. “We are prepared to send vaccines to the West Bank, but Abbas won’t accept them.”

Here are some Dahlan facts, plus a few rumours.

Born 1961 in a south Gaza refugee camp.
Joined Fatah at an early age and was imprisoned 5 times by the Israelis for 'minor attacks'.
1987 Moved to PLO HQ in Tunis where he became a favourite of Arafat.
1994 Became head of Preventive Security in Gaza, focusing primarily on counter-terrorism - which meant a crackdown on Hamas.
During this time his men earned a reputation for harsh, often brutal measures: imprisoning, humiliating, and allegedly torturing Islamist militants.
2000 Camp David peace conference, Dahlan remained a trusted Arafat aide, reportedly urging the Palestinian leader to strike a more accommodating position.
During the eruption of the Second Intifada, Dahlan and Abbas became close allies, coming out against the widespread use of violence and suicide bombings against Israeli civilians. Both became critics of Arafat.
2003 Appointed Minister of State for Security Affairs by Abbas.
2004 Appointed Minister for Civil Affairs – effectively the main Palestinian interlocutor with Israel.
2006 Became National Security Adviser - tasked with maintaining control of Gaza, again attempting to 'hammer Hamas'.
2007 Hamas seize control of Gaza - Dahlan abroad 'having medical attention'.
Returned to the West Bank.
Became a harsh critic of Abbas. Rumours grew that he was being groomed by the US to succeed Abbas.
2011 Expelled from Fatah; PA security forces raided his home in late summer. He barely made it out of the West Bank, fleeing to Jordan the next day. Later re-emerged in the UAE where he has served as an adviser to Prince Mohammad bin Zayed.
2013 - 19 Involved in UAE activity in Serbia and Montenegro - investments and rumoured arms deals. Became a citizen of both countries.
2015 Visited Khartoum to mediate a deal between Sudan, Ethiopia and Egypt over a controversial Nile River dam project.
2015 Arrived in Libya on a private jet for secret talks with Libyan rebel elements, including former Gadhafi regime members.
2015 Rumoured to be involved in, on behalf of the UAE, a targeted assassination program undertaken by US mercenaries against Islamist figures in Yemen.
2019 Turkey issue an arrest warrant against him, with a bounty of $1 million, increased to $2 million, accusing him of helping plot the 2016 coup against Erdogan, a charge he denies.

Throughout this time he has maintained close contact with his supporters in the West Bank and has somehow fostered close ties with his former enemies Hamas, brokering several deals between them and Egypt. He is rumoured to have played a key role in the UAE-Israel peace deal, something he denies, although he is known to have influential Israeli contacts. He has brought his own money (through his wife's charity), UAE money (and vaccines) into Gaza, and Hamas have allowed him to base himself there for the campaign - at the very least he will split the Fatah vote. There is even a chance Hamas may choose to back him should he run for president.

Dahlan has an estimated net worth of $120 million - even more than Abbas, though not if you include Abbas's two mega-rich sons.

He has influential contacts in the US, Israel, Egypt and the Gulf states.
His supporters claim he has the qualities needed to sweep aside the outworn attitudes of the leadership that has shackled the Palestinian people for decades, and embrace a more realistic approach to reaching an accommodation with Israel and the brighter future for everyone. The US and the Israelis view him as a pragmatist, a wheeler-dealer who they might be able to make a deal with.
The PA say he will be arrested if he sets foot in the West Bank. Many of his supporters have already been imprisoned - or worse.
His new party have no chance of winning the election on their own, but there is a growing feeling that he will link up with Nasser al-Qudwa's party, which could fatally damage Fatah's chances and put him in a very powerful position.

Whatever happens, he's a man to watch.
Reading his stuff about Abbas, you realise how little he has achieved over the last 125 years. Gone backwards in fact.
 
Reading his stuff about Abbas, you realise how little he has achieved over the last 125 years. Gone backwards in fact.
Yes definitely backwards. He seems determined to stay though.

latest opinion polls confirm what I've been suggesting.

A united Fatah would win the election, although with a reduced vote:

Fatah 43%
Hamas 30%
Other 8%
Undecided 18%

However, a disunited Fatah, as they presently are would see their share of the vote slip to around 30%, depending who the alternatives are.
Currently, Dahlan would poll around 10% and Qudwa 7% - both will be happy with that at the moment.

Crucial, though, is the fall in support of Hamas, which must be galling for them. The polls suggest that as the elections draw nearer, more and more of the electorate think a Hamas victory would be disastrous for the future.

One worrying feature for those wanting a peaceful and as prompt as possible solution is the continued popularity of Marwan Barghouti, currently serving five life sentences in an Israeli prison. With 22% he tops the poll for PA president, with Abbas down on 9%. That campaign hasn't begun yet and it's a wide open field but his popularity is a mirror reflection of the right's success in Israel - very depressing.

I've not seen anything in his recent public utterances to make me think he's had a change of heart regarding the murdering of innocent people for political ends. Regardless of the immorality of his position, it's a policy that has failed and will doom the Palestinian people to many more years of frustration and suppression. His supporters call him the 'Palestinian Nelson Mandela' but, unless he's saying something very different in private to the Israelis, which is possible, is nothing but an insult to a truly great man.

Perhaps @Blue 1 , or anyone else who believes he should be freed, would care to defend him.
 
The mess over there is both the Israelis and the Palestinians fault, the pals are weak, divided, corrupt and incompetent. They spurned decent offers in the past due solely to right of return and now they are paying for it.

The Israel of the past was a willing peace partner against the Palestinian basket cases but now with the settlement construction they are the biggest obstacles to peace along with the religious dogma justifying the settlements.

it needs leaders on both sides but there are literally no leaders that are willing to do and take necessary steps for a peace settlement.

in the past the Palestinians always had the Arab world to lean back and now that’s not there....similarly the Israelis have had the western world to lean back on....will the western world now squeeze them...I reckon not so now the world will have to look the other way to a quasi apartheid state

and no matter what the Israelis say it definitely is
 
Yes definitely backwards. He seems determined to stay though.

latest opinion polls confirm what I've been suggesting.

A united Fatah would win the election, although with a reduced vote:

Fatah 43%
Hamas 30%
Other 8%
Undecided 18%

However, a disunited Fatah, as they presently are would see their share of the vote slip to around 30%, depending who the alternatives are.
Currently, Dahlan would poll around 10% and Qudwa 7% - both will be happy with that at the moment.

Crucial, though, is the fall in support of Hamas, which must be galling for them. The polls suggest that as the elections draw nearer, more and more of the electorate think a Hamas victory would be disastrous for the future.

One worrying feature for those wanting a peaceful and as prompt as possible solution is the continued popularity of Marwan Barghouti, currently serving five life sentences in an Israeli prison. With 22% he tops the poll for PA president, with Abbas down on 9%. That campaign hasn't begun yet and it's a wide open field but his popularity is a mirror reflection of the right's success in Israel - very depressing.

I've not seen anything in his recent public utterances to make me think he's had a change of heart regarding the murdering of innocent people for political ends. Regardless of the immorality of his position, it's a policy that has failed and will doom the Palestinian people to many more years of frustration and suppression. His supporters call him the 'Palestinian Nelson Mandela' but, unless he's saying something very different in private to the Israelis, which is possible, is nothing but an insult to a truly great man.

Perhaps @Blue 1 , or anyone else who believes he should be freed, would care to defend him.
Forgive me if I have Barghouti's position wrong, I don't follow middle eastern politics nearly as closely as I once did, I find it far too depressing, but is the position that Israel should withdraw to it's 1967 borders and that Palestinians have the right to take up armed resistance against their occupiers, soldiers and settlers, within those borders, really immoral? He has long condemned attacks on Israeli civilians within Israel. He also seems to be the only person capable of bringing about any kind of Palestinian unity, although I'm not sure how true that is as it once was.

Meanwhile, in Israel, Netanyahu appears to have invited a Kahanist group, Jewish Power, to be part of his government. Blimey.
 
Forgive me if I have Barghouti's position wrong, I don't follow middle eastern politics nearly as closely as I once did, I find it far too depressing, but is the position that Israel should withdraw to it's 1967 borders and that Palestinians have the right to take up armed resistance against their occupiers, soldiers and settlers, within those borders, really immoral? He has long condemned attacks on Israeli civilians within Israel. He also seems to be the only person capable of bringing about any kind of Palestinian unity, although I'm not sure how true that is as it once was.

Meanwhile, in Israel, Netanyahu appears to have invited a Kahanist group, Jewish Power, to be part of his government. Blimey.
Thanks for your response which is a reasonable defence of Barghouti. We'll have to disagree on 'armed resistance' though.

Totally agree about the Kahanists though - there was a time when an Israeli PM would walk out whenever they spoke in the Knesset. One reason the electoral threshold was raised was to keep them out of the Knesset. Contrast that with today when if it wasn't for Netanyahu's interference, they wouldn't have passed the threshold to win any seats.
 
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