Our Academy is a Failure

[mkrudden]

Winning the league means nothing. A championship club would win that league too.

You don't need 11 championship quality players coming out of the academy. You need one or two who will go on to be top players.

While I think the original point is harsh I think he does have a point. I also don't think players improve when they are with us. Look at Lukaku. His hold up play for Utd is better already for them than it was ever for us. Stones has improved. Deulofeu has improved at Barca. I have no doubt Poch and Spurs will turn Barkley into England's best midfielder.

Do our coaches have the right skills to coach top players or are they more used to coaching a team that plays more direct.

I know Martinez tried to change it but I have no idea what the situation is now he's gone.

Liam, please.

You're saying that the Lukaku who signed for us on loan from Chelsea didn't improve at all?
You're saying that the John Stones that signed for us from Barnsley was no way improved to the 47.5m player we sold?
Barkley didn't improve last season under Koeman?

Sensationalist rubbish.

And you told me yesterday you're not a pessimist.

K.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Bizarre shout.

 

[Bungle]

Couldn’t see a similar thread, apologies if there is one.

Our academy is only capable of producing Championship standard players and hasn’t produced a striker since Victor Anichebe.

Players that have gone on from our academy system have found their way back to the premiership, but we never were seemingly able to ‘finish’ them.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...h-temporary-manager.99898/page-3#post-5861354

I really hope he isn’t given the job full time. He’s got an amazingly effective academy set up on the go which in the long term is worth far more to us than a shooting star style appointment.

 

[Papa Shango]

Winning the league means nothing. A championship club would win that league too.

You don't need 11 championship quality players coming out of the academy. You need one or two who will go on to be top players.

While I think the original point is harsh I think he does have a point. I also don't think players improve when they are with us. Look at Lukaku. His hold up play for Utd is better already for them than it was ever for us. Stones has improved. Deulofeu has improved at Barca. I have no doubt Poch and Spurs will turn Barkley into England's best midfielder.

Do our coaches have the right skills to coach top players or are they more used to coaching a team that plays more direct.

I know Martinez tried to change it but I have no idea what the situation is now he's gone.

But all these mentioned are young lads. They should improve regardless of what club they are at. They could have improved here as well.

 

[Connor]

Shurrup lad.

 

[zzr45]

The initial post is harsh to make a point. No it’s not the fault of the kids that they aren’t cut out to make the grade as premier league footballers, but for all the fawning we do over our setup it doesn’t seem capable of producing players that can slot in and do a job.

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...h-temporary-manager.99898/page-3#post-5861354

It’s like I’m being deliberately provocative or something.

 

[mightymoyes]

Couldn’t see a similar thread, apologies if there is one.

Our academy is only capable of producing Championship standard players and hasn’t produced a striker since Victor Anichebe.

Players that have gone on from our academy system have found their way back to the premiership, but we never were seemingly able to ‘finish’ them.

What are your thoughts?

go back to bed you halfwit

 

[Jamo Martinez]

apologies

Fixed that for you mate.

 

[gerryandtheRedhaters]

our first team is a failure and has been for decades mate..........nothing to see here.

 

[everton2004]

Couldn’t see a similar thread, apologies if there is one.

Our academy is only capable of producing Championship standard players and hasn’t produced a striker since Victor Anichebe.

Players that have gone on from our academy system have found their way back to the premiership, but we never were seemingly able to ‘finish’ them.

What are your thoughts?

Lay off the drugs mate, they're not good for you.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

If the aim of the academy is to produce first team players that improve or sustain our position then maybe it is currently failing. If the aim is to generate funds by developing and then selling players at a profit, then it may also be failing.
Winning the premier league 2 is only means to an end (produce first team players) so it depends how you measure the academy, IMO.

 

[ToffeeTim]

What more can they do other than win the league mate?

And how bad must everyone else's be?

Bit weird this mate.

Winning youth leagues isn't the main thing. Producing talented players with the right character for PL football is what matters. The two don't always follow hand in hand

 

[MikeH72]

Christ almighty

 

[MickA]

It's not a failure at all.

https://www.trainingground.guru/articles/academy-audit

 

[Joey66]

Winning youth leagues isn't the main thing. Producing talented players with the right character for PL football is what matters. The two don't always follow hand in hand

Maybe but you have to have good players to win the league FGS!