Okay that's the breaking point

[davek]

Liverpool with apparently the most potent attack ever ( lol ) couldn’t break West Bromwich Albion down, but DCL up alone was supposed to?

If we get hammered consistently by awful teams (eg. Southampton) there’s fume.

If we go on a seven game unbeaten run there’s fume.

No one has any patience or pragmatism any more.

I think there's both on offer in the short term. The alarm for many is that he could be here for 18 months and that would have a terrible effect on the way the club looks by then.

If he's here until the summer, as I hope and expect, that's fine. Get him a striker by selling an unwanted player and retain a top half finish comfortably. But that should be the extent of our involvement with Allardyce.

 

[Kev50]

That's what people are alarmed about: the plan was to thwart a team like West Brom.

We don’t have the personnel to set up to attack. Just ask Unsworth what happened against another crap side like Soton 4 weeks ago. Everyone holding their noses about W Brom like we are Barca. They finished one place below us last year, and are a difficult team to score against. If we had started piling forward without Gana we’d have been caught out at the back, no doubt about it

 

[Groucho]

I think there's both on offer in the short term. The alarm for many is that he could be here for 18 months and that would have a terrible effect on the way the club looks by then.

If he's here until the summer, as I hope and expect, that's fine. Get him a striker by selling an unwanted player and retain a top half finish comfortably. But that should be the extent of our involvement with Allardyce.

The danger then is that we spend an age searching somewhat unnecessarily for the next manager.

 

[davek]

We don’t have the personnel to set up to attack. Just ask Unsworth what happened against another crap side like Soton 4 weeks ago. Everyone holding their noses about W Brom like we are Barca. They finished one place below us last year, and are a difficult team to score against. If we had started piling forward without Gana we’d have been caught out at the back, no doubt about it

We attacked West Ham just fine.

 

[Kev50]

We attacked West Ham just fine.

At home, with Rooney and Gana.

 

[davek]

The danger then is that we spend an age searching somewhat unnecessarily for the next manager.

We put a lot of feelers out in the weeks between Koeman leaving and Allardyce arriving. I'd expect that to have unearthed some promises regarding a summer switch to here. If not, we really do have the bunch of clowns running this club we all suspect we do.

 

[Thomasc]

You know, there seems to be a lack of a middle ground in this regard. You can acknowledge that we are surely better defensively while acknowledging that the football today was some of the worst football we have seen in a long time.

It doesn't have to all be "you are blind to see the crap on a plate getting served up here" and/or "you are all WUM tits, fake fans".

I think the problem here is that we have quite a few pragmatic and realistic fans on here who can assess the situation without wetting their pampers and complain about everything under the sun as not being good enough for them.

 

[davek]

At home, with Rooney and Gana.

So what? We had forwards out there like Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Lennon, DCL - how are they inferior to what West Brom had to throw at us?

 

[Groucho]

We put a loy of feelers out in the weeks between Koeman leaving and Allardyce arriving. I'd expect that to have unearthed some promises regarding a summer switch to here. If not, we really do have the bunch clowns running this club we all suspect we do.

Would you be confident that the next guy is being lined up as we speak?

 

[Kev50]

So what? We had forwards out there like Sigurdsson, Bolasie, Lennon, DCL - how are they inferior to what West Brom had to throw at us?

They are at home on Boxing Day in desperate need of a win. We did well to match their energy, and just have a read back of the players you listed

 

[davek]

Would you be confident that the next guy is being lined up as we speak?

I dont see why not. Moshiri has had managerial targets he's identified before and pursued intensely. Koeman arrived after a fashion and only Watford's determination to say no stopped us getting Silva.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I'm baffled.
Is this genuinely a wind up. Whether the OP was taking the mick or not, i'm not even sure, but everyone else who's in agreement, how can you be?

I've never wanted Allardyce, I made that clear from the start. I felt we'd get out of the mess, as there really are three worse (if not a lot more) teams than us in this league. However, Football isn't just a game now, it's a business, and Moshiri has used his business mind and seen Allardyce's record when making this appointment.

Not for one second do I think Moshiri's wanted to make this appointment, as shown by trying to get him in, on a deal til the end of the year, and then eventually JUST 18 months.

But lets stop a second, and lets look back at some of our performances this season prior to Big Sam. Now, did anyone think in 4 weeks, he'd have sewn up the leaky defence to make it rock solid, making players like Keane and Williams look actually half decent.

We're unbeaten, looking like we could maintain a push for Europe (again!) and the panic is over.

We're playing dour football, and that's not what we want to see. But, there is a vast improvement and things take time. Lets just appreciate the fine defensive job he's done so far, and hopefully be excited for a fresh, exciting manager in the future.

I thoroughly don't expect Big Sam to be here next season, I also don't think he wants to be either. A "Mutual Agreement", will probably come in and he will depart, but Sam, known for his love of money, now has the security of sealing a payoff, which i'm perfectly happy with.

I think it was more a case of he panicked mate IMO. Moshiri tried to get Silva, Fonseca, and only went back to Allardyce (after binning him the first time) because he was the only one left out there after his other targets clubs knocked him back.

Allardyce was supposedly Walsh's choice to come in, wouldn't surprise me if he didn't play a big part in him eventually coming in.

 

[davek]

They are at home on Boxing Day in desperate need of a win. We did well to match their energy, and just have a read back of the players you listed

We were unbeaten in 6 and had all the momentum.

We should have tried at least to win that game. We didn't. We stood off them and went for the draw.

Pitiful.

 

[Groucho]

I dont see why not. Moshiri has had managerial targets he's identified before and pursued intensely. Koeman arrived after a fashion and only Watford's determination to say no stopped us getting Silva.

My concern would be a new manager not having time to assess the squad, bring in, ship out, do a meaningful pre-season etc. Also would it unsettle what could be returning to a settled squad?

 

[JLW]

We all know he (the fraud) won’t be here this time next year, it’s only a matter of time before he gets found out by the fans and the board. Right know some fans are happy just to be picking up points because of what we witnessed earlier on in the season, but the vast majority will want him gone inside 12 months..