Okay that's the breaking point

[davek]

We can’t go toe to toe like that with the players we have. The defence has v fragile confidence and needs significant protection. When this team tried to slug it out 4 weeks ago we got battered by one of the worst teams in the league

We cant go toe to toe with bottom of table West Brom.

 

[radiostar]

We cant go toe to toe with bottom of table West Brom.

Laughable isn't it.

 

[davek]

Take your point Dave, but we have not won any silverware at all....OK perhaps "prem survival" is the wrong phrase to use...lack of ambition to push us on may be more appropriate? I think you have mentioned this in the past and quite rightly so in your criticism of kenwright, elstone, moshiri etc. I myself was not a supporter of Allardyce but short term pragmatism won me over after the first 3 months of this season. We do need to push on and get back to winning ways but with this board still here I am nervous of any future managerial appointments they will make afer Sam goes. Trials of being an auld blue who remembers the 60s and 80s eh???

I can deal with Allardyce. He's a vast improvement on Koeman for all manner of different reasons. Another 5 months of him and hopefully some better football than we see now and that will be ok. Then he has to sling his hook. I think most feel that way, and there will be a big change of attitude and tome toward him and the board if he doesn't leave in the summer and make way for a manager of real quality.

 

[davek]

Laughable isn't it.

To not recognise that is breataking.

 

[davek]

Really does depend who you want.

If people are happy enough with survival for their football team then I guess so.

Apparently the new regime/era was all about kicking on from that.

 

[Kev50]

Yes your right, that defeat over a month ago clearly means we must never attack teams ever again.

38 draws, 38 points is the new winning things.

Well I used that one as an example of us needing to impose ourselves on a so called inferior team. There were other defeats though

 

[Kev50]

We cant go toe to toe with bottom of table West Brom.

Well we can, like. Just like we can see off crappy Italian sides in divvy euro comps, and put a poor arsenal side to the sword.fact is Koeman has put together a dreadful side, which has had its confidence shot to bits. Sam is carefully rebuilding, and he needs to be careful cos if anyone thinks our centre backs and left back are anything other than highly dodgy they need to think again

 

[davek]

Well we can, like. Just like we can see off crappy Italian sides in divvy euro comps, and put a poor arsenal side to the sword.fact is Koeman has put together a dreadful side, which has had its confidence shot to bits. Sam is carefully rebuilding, and he needs to be careful cos if anyone thinks our centre backs and left back are anything other than highly dodgy they need to think again

I think we can afford to get bodies up the pitch in enough numbers and enough times during games against teams like West Brom. There's no excuse not to.

 

[royvernon39]

Is EFC so much better than WBA? Not really. They coulda easily have won. Newcastle coulda got a draw or a victory against us. We were lucky to beat B'mouth and Watford at home. Maybe Huddersfield but I can't remember any game that EFC has dominated. EFC were dreadful at Soton. Relegation material. Arsenal toyed with us.

And now the club gets a proven professional manager who goes on a seven match unbeaten run and people want to run him out of town because the football is not flowing! Sam is fixing the mess. It takes time. And it begins with the defense. He has been brilliant and we should be supporting him all the way including next season and thereafter.

 

[canuckblue]

It's getting harder for me to figure if each new thread like this is a genuine complaint or a windup.

 

[Thomasc]

I can deal with Allardyce. He's a vast improvement on Koeman for all manner of different reasons. Another 5 months of him and hopefully some better football than we see now and that will be ok. Then he has to sling his hook. I think most feel that way, and there will be a big change of attitude and tome toward him and the board if he doesn't leave in the summer and make way for a manager of real quality.

So, lets just say the improvement continues and we somehow end up back in the EL again next season and prove to be the best outside of the top 6 again.

he still has to sling his hook? You don't think this earns him a crack at another full season? if not, why not?

 

[davek]

It's getting harder for me to figure if each new thread like this is a genuine complaint or a windup.

If we're at a point when we're asserting that any comment stating that Sam Allardyce is not good enough for Everton is a wind up then we really are lost.

Moshiri panicked needlessly and got him in. Short term until the summer that's ok, I suppose. But beyond a few more months is unacceptable. If he can completely change his ways and put a breathtaking attacking force in place in the meantime, by all means retain him., But he has to be shown the door in May if we're playing like this and eking out an existence. It's not football. It's not 'defensive masterclass'. It's atrocious.

 

[davek]

So, lets just say the improvement continues and we somehow end up back in the EL again next season and prove to be the best outside of the top 6 again.

he still has to sling his hook? You don't think this earns him a crack at another full season? if not, why not?

We wont get that by playing percentage football. We have hugely ridden our luck in the last month or so.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Awful game yesterday but some of the reactions are typically over the top from certain supporters. All this 'worst game ever' stuff is laughable. Are some seriously saying that when we get swatted aside by 4 or 5 goals (which has happened on numerous occasions in the last 2 seasons) and barely muster a chance of our own, that they're less bothered because the other team produced some good football? Because that's how ridiculous it is when people bemoan the fact that it was a boring game, and make out it was in some way worse than when we've been shipping 4 goals to awful sides like Southampton.

I enjoyed that yesterday more than the Southampton game. Enjoyed it more than the Man United 4-0 under Koeman or the 5-0 under him at Stamford Bridge last season, or the 4-0s against the RS under free flowing Roberto Martinez, or the 3-0 against Sunderland where our players genuinely couldn't even be arsed against a terrible side that only just stayed up, and went down the next season.

3 wins and 3 draws after the sheer embarrassment Koeman put us through all season along with the dismal displays under David Unsworth where a side that hadn't won away all season battered us 5-1 on our own ground and then Southampton who had scored 9 goals all season scored almost half that tally in one game against us. Oh the shame of us getting a point away from home yesterday and extending our unbeaten run to 7 games!

Breaking point lol.

 

[canuckblue]

If we're at a point when we're asserting that any comment stating that Sam Allardyce is not good enough for Everton is a wind up then we really are lost.

Moshiri panicked needlessly and got him in. Short term until the summer that's ok, I suppose. But beyond a few more months is unacceptable. If he can completely change his ways and put a breathtaking attacking force in place in the meantime, by all means retain him., But he has to be shown the door in May if we're playing like this and eking out an existence. It's not football. It's not 'defensive masterclass'. It's atrocious.

Oh, I agree totally. But sometimes threads like this just come across as wummery to me. I think we can safely assume the vast majority of us are not happy with a defensive draw at West Brom, but given the state of the squad post-Koeman, it's understandable. I just don't see the need for a new thread every time we don't play a team off the park with our Barcelona-level squad.