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But you did reply to me didnt you?post: 4411693 said:
If Your having a cheap dig at my use of grammer , as most on here know by now I am word dyslexic.
carry on heard it all before
But I will give you it I am slightly grazed.
By the way by the time we come out Obama will be in no position to do anything that will affect the UK as he will not be president , and his party may not be in power.
Over all I think history will have him down as a man who promised much but failed to deliver .
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I'm dyslexic too, and a sufferer of dyspraxia. We should create a club. Just me and you.
I agree with that point there, however I think history will also have him down as better than those who came before and better than his successor. He was hamstrung by A) his in my opinion foolish desire of not wanting to create further divisions between the Dems and Republicans in his first term, and the foolishness of the Republicans in his second term. Such is the broad spectrum of the two party system however, he was also tied by those within his own party who were looking after their own interests.
His politics is to the right of mine btw, and apart from Bernie, the next lot genuinely makes me fear for the world.
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peteblue
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I think the last line sums him up. I remember being in the USA after he was elected and most people I knew were excited and thought he would be wonderful. He turned out to be another Rodwell, full of promise but just couldn't cut it........
What a weird club we would have.
I had high hopes for him, but he just seemed to get caught up in the machine of yankie politics and lose momentum as you say, looking from the outside it looks like anything going agaist the norm over there has little chance of getting passed.
who in there right mind wouldn't want everyone to have health care for instance.
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On the whole the modern day Republican modus operandi is one that has social dawrinism theory at its core.
Kiwi
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Honestly truly amuses me that you think the UK is the strongest ally in the world.
its clearly mcbeal
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Anustart
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UK leave the EU and the rest of the continent will be happy days I'm sure. We won't have the populist left in Southern Europe using us as an example to leave in protest against austerity. We surely won't have the populist right using us as an example to leave in protest against migration.
Maybe, just maybe, in addition to trade interests, Obama could recall the last few times America had to help out our continent when it was at each others throat in the aftermath of a huge depression. Not that history ever repeats itself like.
FFS, we're in a world where Donald Trump is not a million miles from getting into the White House. Fear is rampant right now, and fear leads to division, and division leads to conflict. Now more than ever we need to stay level headed and together, which for me means accepting the EU with its warts and all.
Maybe, just maybe, in addition to trade interests, Obama could recall the last few times America had to help out our continent when it was at each others throat in the aftermath of a huge depression. Not that history ever repeats itself like.
FFS, we're in a world where Donald Trump is not a million miles from getting into the White House. Fear is rampant right now, and fear leads to division, and division leads to conflict. Now more than ever we need to stay level headed and together, which for me means accepting the EU with its warts and all.
Scary, innit?
Thing is mate, it just requires a bit of thinking ahead. Even closer to home, it sounds very much like a Brexit would prompt Scotland to leave the Union. Would Wales want to leave too? What would happen in Ireland? Would it require a 'hard' border between north and south? Would the north want to remain in the EU themselves and if so, would that precipitate a unification of Ireland, with all of the ramifications of that.
I mean, believe it or not, our economy has actually been in growth for a few years now so by most laws of economic cycles we're probably due a recession before long and we have an environment where lots of knee jerking populists who love blaming other people for their problems are gaining ground all over the continent, and the prospect of a country leaving the EU that would almost certainly cause sufficient short-term economic trouble to kick us into that recession that we're due. All evidence suggests that it's in exactly those times that those aforementioned populists gain even more ground, which may well result in large chunks of Europe being governed by racists or socialists, which worked bloody marvelously the last time it was tried.
So while not ideal, we're better off IN at least?
That's how I'll be voting mate. I'm ordinarily not one to believe that much will change regardless of how we vote domestically, but I really do think this would have enormous implications.
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