Striker's graveyard, Everton.
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Striker's graveyard, Everton.
efcfanwirral
Player Valuation: £30m
its because he builds his teams around a focal point - a target man from midfield who can muck in with defending when needed, and is expected to score goals along with the other midfielders (and defenders from set pieces). This means the striker isnt really the striker, he's a glorified winger
Duncan Disordely
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Summerskin
Player Valuation: £35m
It's more of a criticism about how he repeatedly fails to get the best out of some very good strikers.
But I guess we can look past it, afterall he did invent Everton Football Club and it's illustrious history single handedly in 2002.
Moyes wants a striker who scores goals and tracks back and puts a shift in, with limited money its hard to buy a striker like this hence you either get one or the other, AJ always put in a good shift but didnt score enoough goals, someone like yak and jelavic play off the last man and are slotters.
You cant really blame him for trying to ask jelavic to do more work, everyone else puts a shift in. even van persie has been asked to track back since signing for united, its up to the striker to adapt.
You cant really blame him for trying to ask jelavic to do more work, everyone else puts a shift in. even van persie has been asked to track back since signing for united, its up to the striker to adapt.
Ravensblue
Player Valuation: £1m
No moyes didn't invent the club. But you know what he did do signal handedly stopped us from getting relegated, which is the way we where going.
Or are you one of these guys who just bang on about how he hasn't won us any trophies? Would you rather we won a trophy then got relagated? Would that of made moyes the best manager ever would it?
What top strikers has he ruined tho? Because I can't ever remember us having a striker good enough for moyes to ruin.
You can't say yakubu either because he did what he's done at every club he's ever been to. Then his ankle exploded off after that eh.
I had a dog and I named it BINGO!!
Andy Johnson
James Beattie
Nikita Jelavic
Marcus frigging Bent
Louis Saha
Its hardly a Ballon D'Or shortlist.
Moyes has done very well at Everton in many areas, but it seems that the goals to games ratios of most, if not all of the strikers
he's brought here has fallen significantly.
Jelavic was prolific at Rangers, and at Everton in his first three months here. What's changed? Has Moyes changed the game plan? Is he expecting Jelavic to change, and if so, why?
It might be instructive to look at the tapes of his goals last season, and compare the service and forward set up with this season.
Ravensblue
Player Valuation: £1m
WHAT LAD!? You get the hell out if here with them intelligent, sensible and rational thoughts you make me sick.
God help me I am so close to neg reaping you back to the Stone Age bro!
But in all honesty what you say is very true an raises some good points. We could also put it down to in part to the euros but that can only be used as an exscuse for so long. We can only hope he starts to get his fourm back soon.
Maestro Haze
Player Valuation: £8m
I think there are a few reasons why he hasn't got many goals this season.
Fellaini has been our focal point of attack nearly every time he's played, last season Jelavic scored with one touch finishes because of the delivery he got, and I'm not referring to crosses from the wing, short passes haven't been seen very often this season.
If Osman was pushed behind Jelavic in a few more games then I would bet he would score more. Fellaini doesn't do the short passes thing really at all.
Even Mirallas may give Jelavic some help in that regard.
Fellaini has also been very successful though meaning Moyes would probably be less inclined to change the system around, scoring 10 league goals as a midfielder is a good return if you ask me.
Jelavic may have been found out, players look at previous games, they look at the strengths and weaknesses.
The problem is, is that when Fellaini is pushed back we control games better, but sacrifices his attacking threat (not all the time though.)
Maybe with Mirallas coming into full fitness we may see him pushed up front, as he did a good job for his former club there.
Push Fellaini back into the middle with Gibson if it is 4-4-2 but 4-2-3-1 Moyes will inevitably play Fellaini behind the striker, neither will help Jelavic in the long run until players are put in position to help him score goals.
That's just what I think anyway , would be nice to see some change from Moyes at some point.
Fellaini has been our focal point of attack nearly every time he's played, last season Jelavic scored with one touch finishes because of the delivery he got, and I'm not referring to crosses from the wing, short passes haven't been seen very often this season.
If Osman was pushed behind Jelavic in a few more games then I would bet he would score more. Fellaini doesn't do the short passes thing really at all.
Even Mirallas may give Jelavic some help in that regard.
Fellaini has also been very successful though meaning Moyes would probably be less inclined to change the system around, scoring 10 league goals as a midfielder is a good return if you ask me.
Jelavic may have been found out, players look at previous games, they look at the strengths and weaknesses.
The problem is, is that when Fellaini is pushed back we control games better, but sacrifices his attacking threat (not all the time though.)
Maybe with Mirallas coming into full fitness we may see him pushed up front, as he did a good job for his former club there.
Push Fellaini back into the middle with Gibson if it is 4-4-2 but 4-2-3-1 Moyes will inevitably play Fellaini behind the striker, neither will help Jelavic in the long run until players are put in position to help him score goals.
That's just what I think anyway , would be nice to see some change from Moyes at some point.
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Maybe this is the answer. There's a strong belief that Fellaini is better used as a holding, defensive midfielder. And let's face it, our defence has been very brittle this season, and that would help to plug the hole.
OK, we would only get Fellaini's goals at set pieces, but if it meant Jelavic getting those scoring opportunities instead it would be
a win-win.
I know that won't happen but I'd try anything to get the old Jelavic back and Moyes can't just let things drift along and hope for the best.
efcfanwirral
Player Valuation: £30m
Don't see why not, he's done just that when things have been going badly.....
Summerskin
Player Valuation: £35m
1. He done a bloody good job in rejuvinating the team but you can't prove that he single handedly stopped us from getting relegated, 1994 and 1998 were the closest we've came and he certainly wasn't anywhere near Everton then, don't forget that he led us to 17th in 2003-4 though.
2. I'd rather just win a trophy with the very good squad that Moyes has done brilliantly to assemble, the idea that Everton would be automatically relegated after lifting a cup just because Birmingham and Portsmouth couldn't be arsed to look after their own interests isn't our problem, and it baffles me the way a lot of our fans think this way.
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