Current Affairs Nike - Colin Kaepernick

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About two every three days nationwide it seems.

The US is roughly 60% white 15% blacks, 25% everyone else
2015 data had right at 16,000 murders in the US. 52% of which were black (89% by blacks), 43% white (81% by whites). Most people are murdered by someone they know, so that does make some sense on the high percentages.
So that's what, about 7000 backs killed by blacks, and a little less that 6000 whites killed by whites.
259 blacks were killed by police, 497 whites . That's justified, unjustified/criminal - total killed, not necessarily murdered.
2016-2017 stats are similar, but not as complete.

Way too many murders, period. Hell Chicago alone had 750 last year. I have no idea how many unjustified killings happen at the hands of police, and how many of those are blacks. But any is too many when law enforcement's job is to protect and serve. But it's not like blacks are being straight out murdered daily by police, as some would have you believe. However, about 20 per day are being murdered, not simply killed, but murdered in some form or fashion. At 15% of the population

I don't care what Kaepernick protests, it's a free country. I'd prefer he'd not used the method he has but hey, it's not my protest or my place to tell him how to protest. Ditto Nike, they support who and what causes they want. I'm not boycotting the NFL, I prefer college football and EPL anyway. I'm not boycotting Nike, because frankly the brand of apparel is less important to me than the price, look fit etc.

So I guess my question is, if Kaepernick and Nike can have their viewpoint, and they absolutely can, why do I have to cheer for them or risk being labeled as racist/extremist/alt-right etc? Just because I don't find them heroes doesn't mean I advocate police brutality, and would ever have anything to do with morons that march with white robes and/or espouse hate.

data sources -
Department of Justice, Office for Victims of Crime - https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2017/images/en_artwork/Fact_Sheets/2017NCVRW_Homicide_508.pdf
Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

You don't have to cheer for them and no one is going to call you racist for not supporting them. You are fine. And no one is suggesting that blacks are being murdered daily by police "as some would have you believe"...who is "some" here? The fact that police are more likely to shoot black men then white men is what is at issue. It doesn't matter if it is daily, weekly, monthly, or every 17 years. That's worth a peaceful protest in my book. And if some people don't support the protest, but at least acknowledge they have a right to protest, that's fine too.
 
You don't have to cheer for them and no one is going to call you racist for not supporting them. You are fine. And no one is suggesting that blacks are being murdered daily by police "as some would have you believe"...who is "some" here? The fact that police are more likely to shoot black men then white men is what is at issue. It doesn't matter if it is daily, weekly, monthly, or every 17 years. That's worth a peaceful protest in my book. And if some people don't support the protest, but at least acknowledge they have a right to protest, that's fine too.

It's also not just the killings he's protesting anyway.
 
I spent about an hour last night trolling fat american biffs, most of whom liked hunting innocent animals, and loved their terrorist military. They go on about it insulting those who fought for their freedom, despite many vets being in agreement with the "taking the knee" in the first place.

When I read the comments, as I often do, I realise just how messed up American people are, in both camps.

It is all going to end in tears I can assure you.
 
When I read the comments, as I often do, I realise just how messed up American people are, in both camps.
Both camps? This is more of that Hillary and Trump are two sides of the same coin nonsense.
I'll call it like I see it. The far right who are running this country at a federal level are messed up.
The majority of Americans are sane, well thought out and well educated. These people are the people I meet 90% of the time. These are the people who think Kapernick has a point. These are the people who see that the president is using race relations to fire up his racist base.
There's no equivalence to be drawn between both these sides.
 
Fake patriots "defending the flag" really need to look hard in the mirror about why the largest sports apparel company in the world (just guessing here) would seemingly risk everything to support Colin Kaepernick.

Perhaps it's because he has a point.

I'm all for Kaepernick and his freedom to protest by taking a knee and if somebody wants to set fire to a perfectly good pair of trainers or cut their socks up then go for it. But let's not pretend the fact that Nike have signed him up is nothing more than a deliberate and very cynical bit of marketing.

If they had actual moral scruples they'd be making quite a few changes to their operation. The England kit was made in factories where workers were reportedly paid as little as 21p per hour. That's the England kit that retailed for around £150....I'm guessing that kind of mark-up means they can pay athletes such as Kaepernick a very decent wedge of money to give the false impression that they are all about doing what's right.
 
If I was gonna boycott a major label it'd be for using sweatshops in poor asian countires and making a ton of profit by churning out mediocre gear for buttons and charging ridiculous prices.
As I never buy stuff that isn't on clearance I'm gonna keep on keeping on.
 
I'm all for Kaepernick and his freedom to protest by taking a knee and if somebody wants to set fire to a perfectly good pair of trainers or cut their socks up then go for it. But let's not pretend the fact that Nike have signed him up is nothing more than a deliberate and very cynical bit of marketing.

If they had actual moral scruples they'd be making quite a few changes to their operation. The England kit was made in factories where workers were reportedly paid as little as 21p per hour. That's the England kit that retailed for around £150....I'm guessing that kind of mark-up means they can pay athletes such as Kaepernick a very decent wedge of money to give the false impression that they are all about doing what's right.
Whataboutism

Sure all those things you say are true.

But they didn't have to get behind Colin in this regard, and in the process alienate a very large minority of people who would buy their stuff.

They could have continued being a company that 1) maximizes profits by operating sweat shops.

Now they are a company that 1) maximizes profits by operating sweat shops AND 2) is publicly behind the unpopular Colin Kaepernick.
 
I'm all for Kaepernick and his freedom to protest by taking a knee and if somebody wants to set fire to a perfectly good pair of trainers or cut their socks up then go for it. But let's not pretend the fact that Nike have signed him up is nothing more than a deliberate and very cynical bit of marketing.

If they had actual moral scruples they'd be making quite a few changes to their operation. The England kit was made in factories where workers were reportedly paid as little as 21p per hour. That's the England kit that retailed for around £150....I'm guessing that kind of mark-up means they can pay athletes such as Kaepernick a very decent wedge of money to give the false impression that they are all about doing what's right.

Good point.

Mad isn't it they pretty much make bank on all of the jerseys and kits they sell. The NFL jerseys have 3 types and the cheapest one is $99 and the highest field jersey is $249

I see they are doing the same thing in football/soccer now. With the replica and authentic bs...

Companies like Nike probably pay more to the local governments in the countries they have those factories than the workers in the factory.
 
That was said in broad terms - the general polar divide that doesn't allow for disagreement without broad type-casting- not at any individual here :)

The broad terms make your whole point weak. Be more specific. What is your issue?

Otherwise you just come across as if you are more interested in defending one side of an issue and creating a straw man argument to do so. Considering the side of the discussion you decided to indirectly defend its not a good look.
 
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