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mightymoyes said:
great context to a nonsense original post from someone who just looks at records
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tbf, you look at the Chiefs records and frankly it supports every possible case you can make.

It shows constant and unparalled success.

that is your problem, and not mine.

Why shouldnt I refer to 7 straight AFC Championship Games, Multiple Super Bowl wins, simply because you 'dont like' those records.
 
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SLAVEN BILIC said:
You can’t blame Allen for the 13s game, he did enough to have the game winning drive in that game.

Allen’s play off games
AFC WC 4/1/20 @Texans, leading entering 4th 16-8. Texans took a 19-16 lead with 4:42, Allen’s final possession got us within FG range for a 47yd conversion to take to OT. Lost in OT 22-19, did enough to keep the game alive.

AFC WC 9/1/21 Colts, leading entering 4th 17-10. Extended lead and won 27-24, no need for a game winning drive or 4th quarter come back.

AFC Div 16/1/21 Ravens, leading entering 4th 17-3. Neither team scored. No need for a game winning drive or 4th quarter come back.

AFC C-Ship 24/1/21 @Chiefs, trailing entering the 4th 31-15. Game was over but we put up another 9 to end the game 38-24.

AFC WC 15/1/22 Patriots, leading entering 4th 33-10. Won 47-17 no need for a game winning drive or 4th quarter comeback.

AFC Div 23/1/22 @Chiefs, trailing entering 4th 23-21. Retook the lead twice in 4th, final TD 13s to go, D should have seen it out. Lost in overtime. Allen didn’t see the ball again, but drove his team into the lead with his last possession.

AFC WC 15/1/23 Dolphins, leading entering 4th 34-24. Win 34-31 no need for game winning drive or 4th quarter comeback.

AFC DIV 22/1/23 Bengals, trailing entering 4th 24-10. List 27-10. Awful performance across players and coaches. Bengals go on to beat Chiefs and reach SB.

AFC WC 15/1/24 Steelers, leading entering 4th 24-10. Won 31-17. No need for game winning drive or 4th quarter come back.

AFC DIV 21/1/24 Chiefs, leading entering 4th 24-20. Lost 27-24. Last possession took us KC 26, Bass missed FG to tie it with 1:47 left.

AFC WC 12/1/25 Broncos, leading entering 4th 21-7, won 31-7. No need for game winning drive of 4th quarter comeback.

AFC DIV 19/1/25 Ravens, leading entering 4th 21-19, won 27-25. No need for game winning drive or 4th quarter comeback.

So that’s 12 playoff appearances for 7 wins and 5 losses. In the 7 wins we were winning entering the 4th quarter on 9 occasions. The 5 losses are: 2 where teams came from behind, 2 where it was a stretch and the final one is the 13s.

So really, he hasn’t had that many chances to be clutch or come from behind (3). I’d be more concerned that Mahomes has had to do this multiple times.

For the Bills, I’m more concerned about seeing games out when we’re in the lead entering the 4th.

The game on Sunday is coming down to points off turnovers.
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you aren't concerned that Allen has never won a road playoff game? OK then.

I'd also point to the fact that Allen couldnt take the lead against the Chiefs at the end last season and had to settle for the field goal shot.

And as for 13 seconds, I would be interested to see if Allen could manufacture what Mahomes did under that level of pressure.

And if you believe points off turnovers will decided you need to look at this record which of course some will attempt to dismiss

 
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I made the case that the heat is on Allen in this game. It is the biggest in his career.

I would further argue this game isnt even in Mahomes top 8 in terms of importance.

Frankly I am quite calm about this, win or lose. the Chiefs have achieved what they do every year at a minimum. The 7th straight title game. The hardware of 3 Super Bowls is safely tucked away. The threepeat is simply a nice touch.
 
Kev The Rat said:
tbf, you look at the Chiefs records and frankly it supports every possible case you can make.

It shows constant and unparalled success.

that is your problem, and not mine.

Why shouldnt I refer to 7 straight AFC Championship Games, Multiple Super Bowl wins, simply because you 'dont like' those records.
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err your post was about 4th quarter QB comebacks.
you post that much crap you can't even keep track
 
mightymoyes said:
err your post was about 4th quarter QB comebacks.
you post that much crap you can't even keep track
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dont try moving the goalposts, the fact is you actually said ' he only looks at records' implying a wider issue of looking at records full stop.

What happens is that makes other teams fans angry, as the records support the Chiefs being dominant, and they resort to shouting about conspiracies and refs. As you do.

I suspect we will win on Sunday, but as I said I am relaxed about it.

Bills fans are shaking.
 
Kev The Rat said:
dont try moving the goalposts, the fact is you actually said ' he only looks at records' implying a wider issue.

What happens is that makes other teams fans angry, as the records support the Chiefs as being dominant, and they resort to shouting about conspiracies and refs. As you do.

I suspect we will win on Sunday, but as I said I am relaxed about it.

Bills fans are shaking.
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Kev, I admire the game you have on here. I appreciate it even more now as I am in the unusual position wanting the Chiefs to win for once.

But if the Chiefs lose, there is an almost 98.9% chance that you have a full blown meltdown complete with conspiracy rants. Lets not pretend otherwise
 
Prevenger17 said:
Kev, I admire the game you have on here. I appreciate it even more now as I am in the unusual position wanting the Chiefs to win for once.

But if the Chiefs lose, there is an almost 98.9% chance that you have a full blown meltdown complete with conspiracy rants. Lets not pretend otherwise
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you probably are right ill have a meltdown for a few days, well unless we get blown out which is very unlikely.

The Bills fans will go into long term depression if they lose though.
 
Kev The Rat said:
dont try moving the goalposts, the fact is you actually said ' he only looks at records' implying a wider issue of looking at records full stop.

What happens is that makes other teams fans angry, as the records support the Chiefs being dominant, and they resort to shouting about conspiracies and refs. As you do.

I suspect we will win on Sunday, but as I said I am relaxed about it.

Bills fans are shaking.
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you're waffling complete drivel now, your original post was about clutch QBs and how Allen had no 4th qtr comebacks and then some context was provided to that record.
 
mightymoyes said:
you're waffling complete drivel now, your original post was about clutch QBs and how Allen had no 4th qtr comebacks and then some context was provided to that record.
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well you could ask why he hasnt been in position to make a comeback in some of those games that he lost rather than just saying 'he didnt have a chance to do so'

Perhaps he was responsible for not keeping those defeats close? Because he clearly has had defeats.
 
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Kev The Rat said:
well you could ask why he hasnt been in position to make a comeback in some of those games that he lost rather than just saying 'he didnt have a chance to do so'

Perhaps he was responsible for not keeping those defeats close? Because he clearly has had defeats.
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But that doesn’t mean he’s not clutch in moments when he had to be, it just shows that sometimes he comes up against a good D.

Going back to your other post to me, no I’m not concerned that he hasn’t won a road playoff game because it’s only 3 occasions and 2 of them have been against one of the greatest teams in NFL history and the other was his first playoff game when his weapons were a 37 year old Gore with Brown, Williams, Singletary, Beasley, McKenzie, Knox (rookie), Smith, Kroft and DiMarco. Testament to Allen to even get that lot to the playoffs. This isn’t an excuse, it’s context.

Chiefs may not have turned the ball over in the last 8 games. But those games were against teams where only 2 feature in the top 10 for takeaways; Steelers (33) and Texans (28). It’s only 3 in the top 20 with Chargers on 21.

Bills have 32 takeaways to the Chiefs 20. The Bills have only given the ball away 8 times, the Chiefs 14. So yes I believe it will come down to points off turnovers because the stat you showed the other day about last 10 meetings had both teams tied for points and yards.
 
SLAVEN BILIC said:
But that doesn’t mean he’s not clutch in moments when he had to be, it just shows that sometimes he comes up against a good D.

Going back to your other post to me, no I’m not concerned that he hasn’t won a road playoff game because it’s only 3 occasions and 2 of them have been against one of the greatest teams in NFL history and the other was his first playoff game when his weapons were a 37 year old Gore with Brown, Williams, Singletary, Beasley, McKenzie, Knox (rookie), Smith, Kroft and DiMarco. Testament to Allen to even get that lot to the playoffs. This isn’t an excuse, it’s context.

Chiefs may not have turned the ball over in the last 8 games. But those games were against teams where only 2 feature in the top 10 for takeaways; Steelers (33) and Texans (28). It’s only 3 in the top 20 with Chargers on 21.

Bills have 32 takeaways to the Chiefs 20. The Bills have only given the ball away 8 times, the Chiefs 14. So yes I believe it will come down to points off turnovers because the stat you showed the other day about last 10 meetings had both teams tied for points and yards.
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fair enough, it will no doubt come down to who wins the turnover battle. something will have to give, I suspect both teams know that and we will see quite a conservative game plan from both teams offensively.
 
Kev The Rat said:
The Bills fans will go into long term depression if they lose though.
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For sure, but I think that would be the correct response. They have a generational quarterback keeping their SB window open almost single-handedly and the burden of a miserable Lombardi-less history filled with near misses to chew on afterwards. It would be tough if it were to end at Arrowhead yet again
 
Kev The Rat said:
you probably are right ill have a meltdown for a few days, well unless we get blown out which is very unlikely.

The Bills fans will go into long term depression if they lose though.
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Are you serious?

This is a fanbase that lost 4 straight super bowls, one of which ended by a missed 47 yard FG to win it.

They have a young QB in his prime.

They are a short underdog in this game.

They will be just fine with a loss.
 
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