NFL 2024 Season

[Moomin]

New thread for the season as tonight is the start of the 2024 Draft.

Draft hope for tonight is the Vikings gamble the house and trade the first two rounds picks this year and next years first for the third pick and select Drake Maye who will lead the Vikings to glory and win their first Super Bowl in Santa Clara in 2026.

 

[Kev The Rat]

The Chiefs are clearly on course for a threepeat.

I dont see any serious reason as to why they will be stopped. The Bills have thrown in the towel, the Ravens have Lamar in the playoffs, Miami not able to function in the playoffs on the road. The Bengals could be dangerous but Burrow was shaky even before his injury last season.

A decent WR in this draft will make the receiving corps even without Rice, superior to last years highly questionable receiving cohort.

Mahomes has broken every record in front of him since he entered the league, I see no reason for him not to continue by leading the Chiefs to be the first team ever to win 3 in a row.

 

[ToffeeTim]

New thread for the season as tonight is the start of the 2024 Draft.

Draft hope for tonight is the Vikings gamble the house and trade the first two rounds picks this year and next years first for the third pick and select Drake Maye who will lead the Vikings to glory and win their first Super Bowl in Santa Clara in 2026.

New England would be mad to trade away pick 3

Mccarthy to the Vikings feels much more likely to me at about pick 6 or 7. They might not even have to trade up to get him.

 

[Moomin]

New England would be mad to trade away pick 3

Mccarthy to the Vikings feels much more likely to me at about pick 6 or 7. They might not even have to trade up to get him.

It's all rumours but New England are big on Daniels and if Washington pick him they might be prepared to draft down. They do have gaps all over so might be tempted by three first round picks.

Would not be upset with McCarthy but have decided the past week I want Maye as he plays like Josh Allen. Still think they will need to trade up for McCarthy

 

[McCall2Radzinski]

If KC does get three in a row, does that allow Mahomes a career discount of SB wins in regard to being considered the best of all time if he becomes part of six or fewer winning SB teams?

 

[Kev The Rat]

If KC does get three in a row, does that allow Mahomes a career discount of SB wins in regard to being considered the best of all time if he becomes part of six or fewer winning SB teams?

yes

in fact if he wins 3 in a row I would call him the greatest without question anyway as it is unparalleled.

it took 2 decades for Brady to win 4. Mahomes will have done it before the age of 30.

 

[Martin Alvito]

If KC does get three in a row, does that allow Mahomes a career discount of SB wins in regard to being considered the best of all time if he becomes part of six or fewer winning SB teams?

This isn't tennis or golf. It's a team sport. I don't remember anyone trying to tell me with a straight face that Bradshaw was the GOAT back when he was the only QB with four rings, or when he was level with Montana on four.

If you want to tell me Belichick is the best coach in NFL history on the basis of the eight rings (two as Giants DC and six as Pats HC), I'm not inclined to argue. Rings mean something at the QB position, but not nearly as much.

Mahomes doesn't need seven rings (or anything close) to be in that discussion.

 

[Prevenger17]

McCarthy to Vikings by all accounts. I think he'd be a good QB for them. I like the look of Odunze, he has all the hallmarks of a receiver I'll draft way too high in fantasy and completely bomb

 

[Prevenger17]

This isn't tennis or golf. It's a team sport. I don't remember anyone trying to tell me with a straight face that Bradshaw was the GOAT back when he was the only QB with four rings, or when he was level with Montana on four.

If you want to tell me Belichick is the best coach in NFL history on the basis of the eight rings (two as Giants DC and six as Pats HC), I'm not inclined to argue. Rings mean something at the QB position, but not nearly as much.

Mahomes doesn't need seven rings (or anything close) to be in that discussion.

I think he's probably the best at the position I've seen in my lifetime. But the GOAT conversation is a separate thing, and he has a lot of road to go to even touch Brady

 

[Kev The Rat]

I think he's probably the best at the position I've seen in my lifetime. But the GOAT conversation is a separate thing, and he has a lot of road to go to even touch Brady

far from it, even less if you take into account the cheating that Brady was part of throughout his career.

 

[Kev The Rat]

 

[FrenchDarrenBent]

The game has changed and quarterbacks get a lot of protection. You can't really compare early Brady with late Brady.

It's a playground discussion.

 

[Moomin]

McCarthy to Vikings by all accounts. I think he'd be a good QB for them. I like the look of Odunze, he has all the hallmarks of a receiver I'll draft way too high in fantasy and completely bomb

My only issue with McCarthy was he was lightly used under Harbaugh. Meant to be a great student of the game and think he wouldn't be rushed as a starter and will sit behind Darnold for quite a few games.

This upcoming season will be a learning curve for him or Maye. Vikings will have no first or second round pick in the 25 draft but they will have a load of cap space to play with and get a few seasoned expensive players to cement the defence.

 

[Prevenger17]

far from it, even less if you take into account the cheating that Brady was part of throughout his career.

We'll see. But GOAT conversations aren't decided by stats or experts, they're decided by stories. A three-peat would be fantastic for Mahomes, but Brady has so many legendary moments in the bag, the type of thing that is hard to beat in the public conscience. The fact that he's won 7 rings in itself is ridiculous, but the Falcons superbowl, the undefeated season, the 6th rounder coming from nowhere narrative, the Vinatieri kick, the win at age 43 with the Buccs, there are so many things that live in the collective memory that I just don't think Mahomes has come close to replicating yet.

I'm not saying these are important in Mahomes' overall evaluation as a player, (he's a better quarterback than Brady as far as I can see), and there have been other better quarterbacks than Brady. But the "GOAT" is far more elusive thing, and relies a lot more on a general unquantifiable feeling which usually comes about with the iconic moments littered throughout someone's career. On top of all that, Mahomes will never be able to rectify the fact that their was a short overlap in their careers and Brady beat him both times they met in the playoffs, one of those in the Superbowl. It doesn't mean Brady is a better player, but it will be brought up in every GOAT conversation once Mahomes' career is in the rear view mirror

I'm taking you off ignore Kev, you're alright when talking about NFL

 

[Prevenger17]

My only issue with McCarthy was he was lightly used under Harbaugh. Meant to be a great student of the game and think he wouldn't be rushed as a starter and will sit behind Darnold for quite a few games.

This upcoming season will be a learning curve for him or Maye. Vikings will have no first or second round pick in the 25 draft but they will have a load of cap space to play with and get a few seasoned expensive players to cement the defence.

From what I have read, I think McCarthy sounds like someone I'd want on the team. No rookie QB is going to be anywhere close to the total package at this point, but I've heard the same things about JJ, and a bit of talent with a voracious desire to learn will pair well with O'Connell imo. Plus he'd be slinging it to Jefferson, how hard can it be?