Newcastle v Everton. 28th Dec at 16.15.

How genuinely upset are you?

  • As mad as a lorry

    Votes: 42 12.2%
  • Pissed off whenever I think of Everton

    Votes: 226 65.9%
  • Wanted a Raleigh with mags, got a Falcon Pro with spokeys for Chrimbo

    Votes: 26 7.6%
  • Not that arsed lad

    Votes: 32 9.3%
  • Kopite

    Votes: 17 5.0%

  • Total voters
    343
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Eto'o on the left wing, Baines in central midfield, a donkey between the sticks and a terrible Seamus Coleman impersonator at RB.

Truly awful team selection and a complete shambles of a performance.

We're in the deep [Poor language removed]
 
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Eto'o on the leg wing, Baines in central midfield, a donkey between the sticks and a terrible Seamus Coleman impersonator at RB.

Truly awful team selection and a complete shambles of a performance.

We're in the deep [Poor language removed]

Once he starts bringing in untested youth players you know he's done
 
If Jags and Stones are still not able to start against Hull who would be averse to Browning starting in place of Distin?
 
Thought Baines did ok in a midfield 3, but if you are going to change formation and the role of one of our key players - what an odd time to do it.

Not when we've had a full week of training to get used to it, but when we've been playing just 48 hours earlier.

This.

I couldn't agree more - and actually is the thing that worries me most. Yes, we have been poor, yes our tempo is slow, and yes we give away too many goals trying to play out of the back - with lets face it, a pair of donkeys . However, I always had faith in martinez, and that he would have a plan to change things when they clearly aren't working.

What worries me about the team set-up yesterday was that it didn't seem like it was thought through, there didn't seem to be a strategy and whats really concerning, it smacked of a bit of desperation to try and change things to come across a winning formula.

48 hours is not enough time to implement a new system - unless they have been trying it in training for weeks. Time will tell on this, and we'll see if Martinez continues to employ baines in that position - after all he did provide the best pass of the game from that position.

Souness and Neville summed up my entire thoughts on martinez on the post match analysis, almost word for word what I was saying to my mate.

Last season was built on Moyes' defensive stability - yes we played more football, but Jags/Distin etc still played percentages and got rid when under pressure. After over a year of solid coaching to play out from the back at all times - the limitations of our players are being exposed. Teams know that if they press us high and put us under pressure we will make mistakes and present them with chances.

Think about this season - I can't really think of too many goals we have conceded through the oppositions good play - you know goals, were you just have to say 'fair play'. Chelsea being the obvious example - little you can do about Fabregas, Hazard and Costa. I would say that at least 60% have been through our terrible defensive set-up - i know 10 goals have been conceded directly from giving the ball away in poor areas.

The challenge Martinez has now, is that he has to realise that you can not impose a whole different style of playing football and get away with it in the premier league. Chelsea go long and play percentages, as do City - United have always been direct (I mean get the ball up to front players quickly, then play your football) and Wenger revolutionised football by getting Adams and Keown (two of the biggest donkeys ever in the premier league) to just defend and when you get the ball in space give it vieria and petit.

I will continue to back Martinez - because somewhere in there, there is a very good manager. However, he has to adapt his style now. If at the end of February we are still talking about McGeady getting caught in possession on the edge of our box - or Barkley trying to control a cross when a man is running beyond him through on goal - then I will calling for his head. People have to realise that these individual errors that are costing the team, are as a result of being instructed to play a certain way and the players we have not being good enough to do it.

Football is all about being able to adapt to the way other teams play against you, find the space and exploit it - thats why Mourinho is so good and Ferguson constantly changed his approach based on the opposition. Let's get behind Martinez and give him an opportunity to prove that he can do this.
 
I fear this may be quite correct.
Realistically at present the best we can hope for is a point from Hull and hope that City don't get off the bus and we somehow steal a point from them. Then the WBA game on what will possibly be a freezing cold Monday night will be crucial.
This squad of players, the manager and his coaching staff need to wake up and smell the coffee, we are on the fringe of the relegation scrap and these three games during January are simply massive.
I never expect anything from the derby and a trip to Chelsea is almost as welcome as weeks self-catering in Kabul.
Will we be able to attract some fresh blood or loanees in the window who might actually have a positive effect and not just be here for the cash - who knows.
Will we out some of the injury prone, slowing, aging players aka Gibson, Pienaar - who knows.
Possibly more importantly, will we be able to keep the likes of Mirallas ??

These are certainly concerning times and if January goes totally pear-shaped on us, then the concern will morph into worry.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I honestly think that El Bob has prioritised the Europa League in the (looking increasingly vain) hope of qualifying via the back door for the Champions League... and possibly with the tacit agreement of the board who want the big CL money.

This last paragraph all day long...I hope

or it could be game set and match all over by the end of Feb knowing the way we're going at the moment
 
Anybody else fed up of losing yet, or is it just me knee jerking RM right in the nads?

I too am backing RM, but he needs to bring in payers suited to that style rather than fit odd shaped pegs into round holes.

Fed up of losing lads. These players are so much better than the results we are getting.
 
What do you think he should do Del? Bring in players more suited to the style he is enforcing, or back down and try a plan B?

Plan B

Go more direct, press more and not allow teams to walk through our midfield and get at the back four, keep a consistent starting eleven as best as we can, stop over playing at the back which is costing us big time

None of that will happen though
 
Write this season off now (PL) , but when we play in the Europa league I have a feeling Goodison will come alive once again and the fans will be right up for it. We get a favourable draw if we beat Young Boys then you never know.
 
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