New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[arch stanton]

Swinging and now weed? I had no idea Jersey was so wild.
Fair play Joey.

lots of murders there too, but did you notice all the murders stopped when that Bergerac fella left. Just saying (but it was defo him doing them)

 

[Tom Hughes]

Same mate. The critics of the riser and the acoustics by someone are borderline obsessive, even a bit worrying.

It can be loud as f as shown with palace. It's like having an Esk but instead of pretending to be an ITK with transfers they're convincing themselves they know
more than the architects and engineers.

Head banging stuff.

It's not the least bit "obsessive" to state the facts.

As I said when the final cross sections were first released several years ago (even on this thread, if you want to check back), just 63 rows with a high upturned roof is not really compatible with Dortmund's Yellow wall.

Several people have now said that they have been largely disappointed with the atmosphere in the South Stand on this and various other forums. I'm quite certain it will improve after a proper bedding-in period (and certainly with any success on the pitch), but as someone who has actually stood on the Yellow wall almost as many times as I've sat in our South Stand, I can tell you that there is very little comparison, and tbh, it doesn't really take an architect or engineer nor any head-banging to see why.

 

[Swartzy]

Live football on tv , there's too much, its diluting going to the game as they've brainwashed us.
I'm not going to our stadium for the next 4 months to sit on my hands cos other people tell me the games don't matter.

Anybody that tells you it doesn't really matter, they aren't lovers of the game.

They are the FOMO society..
Football to them is a way into being part of something so big and global.

Keep those hands up and sing your heart out...

 

[If You Know Your History]

That's probably because it's the stadium thread. A Stadium that was supposed to have been specifically designed for atmosphere, for "home-field-advantage" as Meis said, with a "Blue wall" that would lead in that process by being compatible with Dortmund's "Yellow Wall." Not just when the team is winning or playing exciting football. I don't think that anyone disputes that the place will boom when that happens.

I accept your point regarding the Blue Wall, but our new home is no where near as quiet as Goodison.

Goodison last season.... at times I thought I'd hone deaf.

Frankly, it's not bricks and mortar that make an atmosphere. The Sunderland fans made more noise than the 40-odd thousand blues in attendance. As such, they got the result.

 

[If You Know Your History]

I understand it can be difficult when we're not playing well but its up to the fans to make it noisy & get behind the team.
We know it can be loud.
Its our job as supporters.
No use sitting in silence or grumbling all afternoon.
I know it would help the team.
Don't be embarrassed in front of your new neighbours, it doesn't matter what they think of you

Yup.

We saw how loud it could be during the Palace game.

 

[If You Know Your History]

I still think the club have handed the away supporters the best seats in the house for atmospherics and visual impact on tv.

I concur

 

[Infernus]

I still think the club have handed the away supporters the best seats in the house for atmospherics and visual impact on tv.

Oh absolutely. I’ve also heard that deep within the darkest cloisters of ‘The Club’, they’ve also ensured, with the help of their televisual masters of course, that our home form isn’t very good, for the ultimate in ‘happy away fan joviality’ and ‘atmospherics’. If ever we get a good squad together, and don’t lose a league game at home, I’m looking forward to you coming back on here and complaining that ‘The Club’ have ruined everything because all we see on TV is miserable away fans, or empty seats because they always leave early. No end to your constant Tom-foolery is there?

 

[Gardocki]

It's not the least bit "obsessive" to state the facts.

As I said when the final cross sections were first released several years ago (even on this thread, if you want to check back), just 63 rows with a high upturned roof is not really compatible with Dortmund's Yellow wall.

Several people have now said that they have been largely disappointed with the atmosphere in the South Stand on this and various other forums. I'm quite certain it will improve after a proper bedding-in period (and certainly with any success on the pitch), but as someone who has actually stood on the Yellow wall almost as many times as I've sat in our South Stand, I can tell you that there is very little comparison, and tbh, it doesn't really take an architect or engineer nor any head-banging to see why.

Its because our fans don't engage in the same way as the Dortmund fans. Don't sing and create the same atmosphere to make it a 'blue wall'. And the fact that 'we' aren't as densely packed in at the lower side. It's not the structure (apart from the wheelchair areas which take away from the intimidating factor), the step, or the roof shape.

 

[Tom Hughes]

I accept your point regarding the Blue Wall, but our new home is no where near as quiet as Goodison.

Goodison last season.... at times I thought I'd hone deaf.

Frankly, it's not bricks and mortar that make an atmosphere. The Sunderland fans made more noise than the 40-odd thousand blues in attendance. As such, they got the result.

I haven't argued that Goodison was any better as regards atmosphere (at least, not in the all-seater era). It wasn't designed with acoustics in mind. Relatively tall stands, high rooflines with only small 18 row upper tiers of seats directly under those roofs on three sides can quite readily neutralise any acoustic effects. However, those same overlapping tiers gave much greater intimacy, so that when the place did get going, it often became the proverbial bearpit after very little provocation.....far moreso in the terracing era, but generally it was a fairly reactive arena, except on those special occasions.

I've also never said that ANY stadium makes the noise.... however, its design can greatly affect the whole process, helping to make a stadium more proactive than reactive..... hence the regular references to being "designed for atmosphere" and "good acoustics" whenever you read about any new stadium projects.

As I've said, there can be a big difference between designing for whole stadium acoustics and/or designing a "home-end" for atmosphere. Hence, the much varied approaches in stadium design across different designers.... all claiming to have "designed a stadium for atmosphere" using "acoustic engineers" yet often adopting quite different or even contradictory approaches/formats. I think the initial Meis design addressed this more effectively, but that the subsequent design is a slightly watered down version.

Yes, due to the good whole stadium acoustics provided by the barrel roof, the place will be very loud when the majority of fans are fully engaged, as shown a few times already, and also as the Sunderland fans demonstrated quite clearly, but that isn't quite the same as claiming to recreate that built-in intensity of the "Yellow Wall" at one end of the ground. An intensity that helps a hardcore of fans to get the whole place going, even (especially) when things aren't going so great on the pitch.

 

[mccole]

The new stadium is amazing. Obviously teething problems with transport, food and toilets but all will be sorted in time.

On the atmosphere, we need better football on the pitch obviously but I also feel that we have a lot of artificial atmosphere around the ground with a lot of pop up football bars with cringe guitar gimps.

Pubs like The Brick or Wilmslow, Oak became natural hubs without forcing themselves or adding special gastro pies or stone baked pizzas.

I think we can improve the fan plaza with giant screens and bin off terrible dance djs.

In the ground, we doing really do songs at home but I think the club should have set up a "standing/song" section for those away fans who do add to the crowd.

Also we need to name those stands so we know who is letting us down i.e. The Park Enders

 

[Tom Hughes]

Its because our fans don't engage in the same way as the Dortmund fans. Don't sing and create the same atmosphere to make it a 'blue wall'. And the fact that 'we' aren't as densely packed in at the lower side. It's not the structure (apart from the wheelchair areas which take away from the intimidating factor), the step, or the roof shape.

Yes, there are other factors.... but the structure is also quite different.... it is smaller and split into 2 quite distinct tiers for starters, lower standing, upper seated. At Dortmund, the slightly downward sloping roof, shallower rake of the stand and larger row tread depths means that there are far more fans at greater density (even if safe-standing ratios are ever increased in the future for BMD)..... all under a roof geometry that provides much greater "acoustic catchment". Originally Meis wanted the barrel roof to slope slightly downwards from South to North (possibly for that reason).... this was rationalised out at the planning stage. I had hoped that the cranked corners would have compensated, but the seated upper format means that they are fairly passive sections, largely forming transition between end and side stands so far. Great when everyone is up for it, but fairly vacuous when their not.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Of course the atmosphere is going to suffer, when the supporters have had to witness the utter rubbish that has been served up by the team in the last week. There is nothing wrong with the atmosphere at HDS, thinking back to the palace game in the second half. BUT the team needs to give the supporters something to shout about, not the fare dished out in the past week.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Same mate. The critics of the riser and the acoustics by someone are borderline obsessive, even a bit worrying.

It can be loud as f as shown with palace. It's like having an Esk but instead of pretending to be an ITK with transfers they're convincing themselves they know
more than the architects and engineers.

Head banging stuff.

The riser prevents the whole Stand as one being on their feet. Standing isnt only factor to an atmosphere but it is the main one. You will get noise and atmophere as it is but itll be reduced to just being pitch led and for shorter periods than if the whole stand were stood.

 

[wandyr79]

Its because our fans don't engage in the same way as the Dortmund fans. Don't sing and create the same atmosphere to make it a 'blue wall'. And the fact that 'we' aren't as densely packed in at the lower side. It's not the structure (apart from the wheelchair areas which take away from the intimidating factor), the step, or the roof shape.

Germans just have a different culture to in-game fan interaction than us, the stadium could have looked exactly like Dortmund's but the atmosphere was always going top be different.

It may be better to say our stadium was built with acoustics in mind, rather than atmosphere.

 

[If You Know Your History]

Its because our fans don't engage in the same way as the Dortmund fans. Don't sing and create the same atmosphere to make it a 'blue wall'. And the fact that 'we' aren't as densely packed in at the lower side. It's not the structure (apart from the wheelchair areas which take away from the intimidating factor), the step, or the roof shape.

Indeed.